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blast off on another episode

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of hero paranormal broadcasting

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from the base at la madre mountain just

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south of

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area 51 my name is ryan the original

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outlaw of the airwaves bringing you

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a dark eerie and shadowy

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episode today today's episode is a very

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special one

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the very first podcast i was ever on

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was the shadow nation podcast

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this was many years ago but it still

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feels like yesterday sean burris is our

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guest today

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the king of shadow nation sean burris is

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producer co-host

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of award-winning shadow nation podcast

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also star and co-host of a e's extreme

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pera

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shadow nation podcast is a blast

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and sean delves into some pretty cool

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stuff

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much of which we are going to try to

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discuss today

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sean gets the very best guests

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in the business whether that's

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researchers

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hollywood or experiencers secretly i'm

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super jealous

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of the lineup any given month or two

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truly great stuff a few of shadow

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nation's podcasts that have stuck in my

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mind over the years are the dybbic bach

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episode uh a few of the halloween

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episodes the exorcist podcast and that's

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just to name a few

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the master podcaster magician of his

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craft

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tackling ghosts and demons one episode

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at a time

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sean burris welcome to the hero

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paranormal podcast

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abracadabra brother what a good intro

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i'm not sure i deserve it but uh i'll

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you totally deserve it oh my gosh you

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totally deserve it you

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uh i was you know i was thinking back i

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don't know how many years it's been

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it was about uh the uintah basin high

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strangeness and i remember

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um us talking and it was it was a pretty

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fun time

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since then i've kind of secretly been

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hiding in the

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recesses and listening to all your

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podcasts and it's pretty good stuff

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i was hoping we could discuss a few of

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them absolutely ryan

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we go way back brother if you remember

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it's probably been six or seven

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years ago uh maybe further that i first

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had you on the shadow nation it was way

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back when it was called the ghost men

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and demon hunter show

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and uh we had you on i was

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always been fascinated by skinwalker

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ranch and you came out with the book

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skimwalker and beyond

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i was fascinated i read it what an

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amazing author you are

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and i had you on the show and you've

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been a fan favorite ever since

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for all our up-to-date men in black

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behind the scenes stuff so it's always

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it's always worked out it always crashes

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the servers when you come on

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so definitely a partnership made in

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heaven

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oh i know i don't deserve that but it

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was definitely it's so true that it's

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uh a lot of the same topics that you

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discuss in your podcast

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are things that i just i i'm just i'm

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yeah absolutely and you know it's been

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such a long ride i've been on the air

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14 years now with the shadow nation

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it's been 14 years i'm doing my own uh

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solo episodes now uh so each week we

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have a guest it's been a while i've been

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revamping the system getting everything

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ready for the new

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year which uh had some things come up so

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it's getting pushed back a little bit

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more but

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rest assured we'll be back with uh all

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new hollywood horror stars

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and the best in the field of the

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paranormal and i can't stay away man

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it's like

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a drug addiction you gotta have it and

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uh just being here talking with you gets

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me going again i love being in front of

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this is my sanctuary

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in front of the microphone talking to

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you this is it

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this is my sanctuary yeah man and

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you know what i i you're so good at what

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and um you're you're a great guy and

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halloween episodes from the past i was

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epic i i have to bring up i just have to

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the dybbuk box oh yeah

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yeah you know ryan that's funny until

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the dybbuk box i never

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knew that the paranormal could affect us

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i mean i had heard stories but i never

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knew that the paranormal could affect us

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through airwaves through electronics

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um i never felt the impact of that i had

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heard the stories yada yada yada people

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and you know things have even happened

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to me but i got a hold of i was watching

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you know the divik box i mean you'd

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heard about that if you're american

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and if you're into this occult stuff and

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uh it'd been talked about on uh unsolved

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the haunting series and stuff like that

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artifact or it

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is i tracked down the owner which was

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to get him on the show finally got a

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hold of him and i had him come on

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and in the green room right before the

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he was talking to me and i'm having him

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you know how it is with the pog you go

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over some of the questions did you talk

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about what's going to come up on the

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show and what's slated for

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for the segment so i was going over that

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with him and he kept saying now i got to

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i've been on several shows where things

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happen i bring the divic box and things

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happen especially with

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electronics so you know he said get

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ready you have a backup computer

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you have it yeah yeah yeah yeah we got

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it man it's all good we'll be fine you

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chaos i mean it collapsed man static on

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only when he would respond to questions

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that i was asking him about the divot

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ryan i could ask him about how's the

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weather where you're at and it would be

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and then i brought up a question about

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the holocaust and the link

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history of it

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nothing but static 100

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then the moment he said his last word it

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would be crystal clear again

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and that was just to start the night so

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i never really knew

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uh that this stuff we podcasting's

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oh yeah yeah it's very real it's very

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very real

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you i mean you tracked down the owner of

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the dybbuk box

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he dealt you delved deeply my man and

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gr glad that you brought up the ghost in

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the machine type paranormal activity

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you got hit pretty hard at home

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yes i did and the uh the static on the

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air was just the tip of the iceberg man

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by the time we went to our first break

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because at that time i was doing shows

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with nathan schoonover

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that was my co-host and we went to break

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we're scrambling to try to fix this

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switching channels everything else

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and it's clear we're doing this we tried

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you know something happened during the

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show to go away from so

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we were doing that trying to fix it

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there was no problem everything was

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when we were on pause and we were

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waiting for the commercial to play

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and then right after that we come back

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on everything's fine i started asking

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so jason you know you're in the medical

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field you're a curator at a medical

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museum in missouri

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uh how did you come by the dybbuk box

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how did how did you come

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stumble upon it and and he'll start

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answering and as soon as he did

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the the chaos ensued again man it was

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crazy you couldn't hear anything and

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start hearing a knock

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empty there was nothing in it nobody had

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it always said empty and we started

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a knocking on the wall behind us

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so it was like a little peck and then it

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became a full-fledged somebody knocking

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on the wall with their fist

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so we went to another commercial break i

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got up went check the room when i opened

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nothing shadows there was nothing in

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now that's a huge problem you know if

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somebody's banging on the door and

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how are you supposed and you can even

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hear that if you go back and you listen

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to the archives you can hear the banging

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coming from the other room while i'm

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interviewing this cat

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and that was just that was just the

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beginning after that

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i was going upstairs i seen a shadow

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pass me on the stairs

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it wasn't like some big you know ghost

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guy pushed me down the stairs i just

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seen a shadow pass me in the hall

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i rubbed my eyes and said that you know

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maybe too much podcasting for the night

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but we ended up having to end that

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interview

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and he apologized said you know what

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sean i'm sorry i told you this kind of

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and and i said that's okay jason you

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uh whatever well while i'm doing this

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nathan the co-host at the time was

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telling me bro i gotta go he's sending

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me messages i gotta go

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i gotta get off the air so i went ahead

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and i wrapped it up well afterwards i'm

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talking to nathan he pulls up

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his shirt and he has black and blue

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marks that just

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formed all over his back like

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like in the size of little fist that had

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been punched him all over his back he

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must have had

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eight of them now these things just

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appeared ryan

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during the show and that's

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when it all went to hell

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i told him right away i said hey nate

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take pictures of it

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let's not say it's paranormal i mean at

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that time i thought maybe he had a

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reaction to

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a laundry detergent or something you

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know what i mean

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so i told him to take pictures of it

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let's post it on the website and let the

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fans

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decide what they want to decide

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so about a day day and a half passed and

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all of a sudden in the mail

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i come home from work and at my home

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i get the book the dybbuk box that jason

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haxton the author had sent me and i

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opened it up

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i came in i laid my stuff down from work

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and i sat down in my recliner and i

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opened it up and inside the book it says

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sean sorry for the interference i told

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you

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i would love to come back on the show

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what a great epi what a great show it is

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no sooner that i put that book down the

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loudest

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boom i've ever heard i mean it shook the

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roof it shook the windows

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it shook my feet uh it just

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echoed through the house all the lights

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went off everything now this is a clear

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night ryan

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there's not a sound outside there's not

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thunder cloud there's nothing

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and i just got home it's a summer night

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so i go outside

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i look around my wife my daughter in bed

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and i notice everyone's lights are on

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but mine

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my house is the only house that has the

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lights off in it

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so i come back in my wife's standing

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there and she's like what's going on

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and i told her i said honey i don't know

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i'm going to call power and light and

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see what's going on

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so i called the power company they said

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sir we've had no problems reported in

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the area

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but we'll look into it so i go back and

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i'm

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i go downstairs and i notice the fuse

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box has those little

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burnt marks beside the the circuit

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switches

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yep yep i noticed those are on the box

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so i went ahead and i flipped the

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circuit breakers and

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a few of the lights come back on all

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all the lights except for in the

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basement come back on

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so i go back upstairs and i'm waiting on

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the

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power and light people to come out my

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wife and kid goes back to bed

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and i start smelling

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the worst odor of gas i mean it was

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overwhelming my eyes start watering just

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out of nowhere

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it it comes through the house and hit me

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right in the face where i couldn't

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breathe i'm not talking about a little

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hint of gas

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i'm talking like i'm standing in front

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of the gas line and it's pumping in my

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face kind of thing

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that's what it smelled like so i

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panicked i didn't know what to do so i

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run instead of getting my family i run

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out front and i call the

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gas company i said we got a problem here

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man i'm smelling gas in my house

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uh you know and i didn't have a pilot

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light it was electronic light

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on the uh on the

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water heater so it wasn't like the pilot

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light just burn out and you're smelling

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gas this

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had to be some kind of internal you know

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failure

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so i'm figuring it's that so i go

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upstairs i get the family and i say come

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on let's go stay on the court so me and

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my wife my kid are standing on the porch

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for 45 minutes

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finally the uh gas company shows up the

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guy takes his meter takes about 10

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seconds for him to say get your family

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out

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now so we grab everything we can

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i go to get in my car and i turn the key

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and as i turn the key to the car the

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dome light comes on it goes and goes

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right back out

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what a perfect time for a dead battery

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i'm thinking this is great

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so we all pack up into my wife's car we

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end up going to a hotel room for the

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night

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so the next day we get up we go home the

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entire

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street in front of my house is dug up

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all the way leading into the basement

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the gas company met me out there the guy

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said you

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people are so lucky you should have been

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dead

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i said what do you mean he said the gas

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line in the street

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cracked in such a way that every house

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on this block should have filled with

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gas

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and bit dangerously close to exploding

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but for some reason

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only your house filled with gas

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and the levels were so deadly he said

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they had to have us leave in the middle

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of the night like they did

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so they dug all that up they fixed it up

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and just as

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he was leaving i happened to walk past

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my car

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i noticed wow

430
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the front quarter panel is all bowed out

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it's bent like a giant had grabbed it

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and just crushed it

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there's a big bow in it i get inside the

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car

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and the seat is melted where it had

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caught fire

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in the middle console where you put your

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arm it had blown off and the underside

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was burnt to a crisp and it was in the

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back seat

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a lightning bolt had directly struck

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my vehicle and only

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caught fire which the insurance company

444
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had a field day with that they would not

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believe

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that because of the rubber tires this

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lightning bolt cracked my car

448
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and did the damage that i said that i

449
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showed through pictures that it did

450
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and it only burnt the car seat

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and the middle console now i'm the only

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one that drives that car

453
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that car at the time it got totaled i

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was the only one drive that car

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ever and i almost took that with

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everything else that this is a message

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that this is for you

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if you want to play around with this

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00:16:51,829 --> 00:16:50,160
stuff and you want to call me out

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i'm going to do this to you and your

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family and that was the first time

462
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one of the first yeah it was the first

463
00:17:01,269 --> 00:16:59,360
time that my family had ever been

464
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affected outside of me running around

465
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looking for the paranormal and

466
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interviewing people that was the very

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first time

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man and what what a time that was that's

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like

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in the lightning bolt i can kind of

471
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relate to the craziness

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of some i want to get into uh

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you know i mean we got nathan black and

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blue marks on his back

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00:17:27,429 --> 00:17:25,039
we ha i love how you let the fans decide

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uh on how to move on so classic man

477
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and i know that you're an expert at this

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00:17:33,029 --> 00:17:30,960
stuff so you've come across some pretty

479
00:17:34,310 --> 00:17:33,039
amazing stuff and you'd know it if you

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saw it and

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kind of leads me into some of the

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photographs that you've captured in

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cemeteries and other haunted places

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could we go into that

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yeah i mean first off i don't know if

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there's any experts i know i certainly

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am not one i just i've loved this stuff

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for so long ryan i grew up in a haunted

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house

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so i never had a chance not to believe

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in the supernatural

492
00:18:01,190 --> 00:17:59,679
the paranormal people always ask how do

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you believe it i never had a chance not

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to

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i grew up with it there was a ghost of a

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lady in our house

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and we believe it was from the lady that

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hung herself in the 50s in our home

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there was a lady it was documented it

500
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was in the news she had hung herself and

501
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you would see this lady in the house not

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just me

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my father my mother people that would

504
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come my cousins stayed the night you

505
00:18:22,950 --> 00:18:21,039
would see her

506
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she never bothered anybody never did

507
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anything she had black eyes

508
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i'll never forget not like glossy black

509
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eyes that were popping out of her head

510
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just where her eyes were at were black

511
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they were dark

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you could never see a pupil or anything

513
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like that and she would just

514
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walk around the corner you would see her

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and then she wasn't there

516
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anymore you would hear whispers on the

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staircase at night

518
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or in the middle of the day i'd be

519
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sitting there playing nintendo i was

520
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probably about

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seven and you would just hear these

522
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faint whispers from the staircase and

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you would walk around there and there

524
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was nothing there

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so i lived with a ghost until i was i

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don't know

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14 15 and then we moved out of that

528
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house

529
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but ever since then it's created a

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passion

531
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even when i went to college and

532
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everything it started this

533
00:19:17,270 --> 00:19:15,200
this hunger this quest for knowledge

534
00:19:19,909 --> 00:19:17,280
into the paranormal to find out

535
00:19:21,830 --> 00:19:19,919
what did i experience when i was a kid

536
00:19:23,190 --> 00:19:21,840
so over the years i've got to go to some

537
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amazing places

538
00:19:27,669 --> 00:19:25,760
i've set them up i've spent the night at

539
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places people have said or the

540
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gateway to hell you know i had i went to

541
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the sally house where they said that the

542
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basement was the doorway to hell and i

543
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had my feet hanging off of it all night

544
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so i didn't get anything there i did

545
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have some

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white lights that would kind of dance

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around in one of the rooms

548
00:19:48,310 --> 00:19:46,799
uh that happened so there was something

549
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in that house the sally house in

550
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atchison kansas

551
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but i didn't hear the little girl voice

552
00:19:55,669 --> 00:19:54,240
it's a great story for your listeners if

553
00:19:56,870 --> 00:19:55,679
they ever want to check it out uh there

554
00:19:58,710 --> 00:19:56,880
was a little girl

555
00:20:00,630 --> 00:19:58,720
supposedly haunted that house in

556
00:20:03,909 --> 00:20:00,640
atchison kansas sally house

557
00:20:05,590 --> 00:20:03,919
that was just one of them um of course

558
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i think what you're talking about with

559
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my pictures was another great one the

560
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nut

561
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cemetery in connecticut i

562
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just went to film a tv pilot

563
00:20:19,990 --> 00:20:18,400
for another show that didn't make it you

564
00:20:23,270 --> 00:20:20,000
know how that goes oh yeah

565
00:20:24,310 --> 00:20:23,280
so i was in new york we filmed this

566
00:20:27,590 --> 00:20:24,320
pilot

567
00:20:30,950 --> 00:20:27,600
in sleepy hollow amazing place

568
00:20:33,590 --> 00:20:30,960
and the next day i wanted to go

569
00:20:35,350 --> 00:20:33,600
see where ed and melane warren lives

570
00:20:36,070 --> 00:20:35,360
where they lived at the time ed was

571
00:20:38,310 --> 00:20:36,080
already dead

572
00:20:39,669 --> 00:20:38,320
but of course the famed demonologist ed

573
00:20:41,510 --> 00:20:39,679
lorraine warren

574
00:20:42,789 --> 00:20:41,520
this cemetery was right down the street

575
00:20:45,750 --> 00:20:42,799
from their house

576
00:20:46,710 --> 00:20:45,760
and we were looking for ed's great ed

577
00:20:50,310 --> 00:20:46,720
warren

578
00:20:52,710 --> 00:20:50,320
and we knew it was a big black tombstone

579
00:20:54,630 --> 00:20:52,720
but that's all we knew so this cemetery

580
00:20:56,070 --> 00:20:54,640
was huge and we were driving through it

581
00:20:56,549 --> 00:20:56,080
and i was snapping pictures out the

582
00:20:58,310 --> 00:20:56,559
window

583
00:21:00,070 --> 00:20:58,320
drive a little bit snap a picture drive

584
00:21:02,070 --> 00:21:00,080
a little bit snap a picture

585
00:21:04,390 --> 00:21:02,080
so i snapped a picture with my digital

586
00:21:05,909 --> 00:21:04,400
camera i looked down at it because i

587
00:21:08,149 --> 00:21:05,919
thought i'd seen ed's grave

588
00:21:09,430 --> 00:21:08,159
big black tombstone and right there in

589
00:21:13,430 --> 00:21:09,440
the picture

590
00:21:16,310 --> 00:21:13,440
is a woman with a white gown on

591
00:21:18,310 --> 00:21:16,320
and it looks like she's wearing the

592
00:21:22,470 --> 00:21:18,320
habit that nuns would wear

593
00:21:26,789 --> 00:21:22,480
to me it looks like it anyway and

594
00:21:30,230 --> 00:21:26,799
i look up there's no one there

595
00:21:32,230 --> 00:21:30,240
so i immediately race out to that spot

596
00:21:33,510 --> 00:21:32,240
i just so happen to have my emf meter in

597
00:21:35,909 --> 00:21:33,520
the back of the car because we just

598
00:21:38,149 --> 00:21:35,919
filmed that tv pilot

599
00:21:39,430 --> 00:21:38,159
and i got nothing on the emf meter i did

600
00:21:43,990 --> 00:21:39,440
some evp

601
00:21:46,630 --> 00:21:44,000
i got nothing on the evp but i felt

602
00:21:49,110 --> 00:21:46,640
cold when i was there i felt like

603
00:21:51,909 --> 00:21:49,120
something was there with me

604
00:21:54,390 --> 00:21:51,919
and uh i don't know i don't know to this

605
00:21:56,549 --> 00:21:54,400
very day if it was a human

606
00:21:58,390 --> 00:21:56,559
dressed as a nun or whatever she had to

607
00:22:00,149 --> 00:21:58,400
be the flying nun because she must have

608
00:22:00,950 --> 00:22:00,159
got out of their record time i mean i'm

609
00:22:03,669 --> 00:22:00,960
talking about a

610
00:22:04,470 --> 00:22:03,679
second difference here but plain as day

611
00:22:07,110 --> 00:22:04,480
brother

612
00:22:07,750 --> 00:22:07,120
she showed up on camera i don't know who

613
00:22:11,750 --> 00:22:07,760
she was

614
00:22:12,950 --> 00:22:11,760
else in that cemetery when i took that

615
00:22:16,149 --> 00:22:12,960
picture

616
00:22:18,070 --> 00:22:16,159
uh that was one of my great i think

617
00:22:19,430 --> 00:22:18,080
photographs i've ever got of what i

618
00:22:23,430 --> 00:22:19,440
believe to be

619
00:22:25,990 --> 00:22:23,440
an apparition amazing man

620
00:22:26,950 --> 00:22:26,000
absolutely amazing photographed you

621
00:22:30,230 --> 00:22:26,960
mentioned

622
00:22:32,630 --> 00:22:30,240
uh the ghost at your house as a kid

623
00:22:33,590 --> 00:22:32,640
had black black eyes and i know that

624
00:22:37,430 --> 00:22:33,600
you're a fan of

625
00:22:39,750 --> 00:22:37,440
aliens and lore of the like as myself

626
00:22:43,830 --> 00:22:39,760
have you come across anything strange

627
00:22:47,190 --> 00:22:43,840
that's of the extraterrestrial type

628
00:22:49,909 --> 00:22:47,200
you know i i want to so bad i

629
00:22:51,669 --> 00:22:49,919
remember when i was on vacation we were

630
00:22:53,590 --> 00:22:51,679
in florida and i was out

631
00:22:55,029 --> 00:22:53,600
at night and i'm looking over the ocean

632
00:22:56,549 --> 00:22:55,039
you see a lot of

633
00:22:59,830 --> 00:22:56,559
you know you got a clear view of the

634
00:23:04,870 --> 00:22:59,840
cosmos at night usually over the ocean

635
00:23:08,390 --> 00:23:04,880
and i seen i watch the ball of light

636
00:23:11,430 --> 00:23:08,400
move and do course direction changes

637
00:23:12,950 --> 00:23:11,440
at an ungodly speed that it could have

638
00:23:14,230 --> 00:23:12,960
been a satellite it could have been a

639
00:23:17,909 --> 00:23:14,240
plane

640
00:23:21,830 --> 00:23:17,919
um so i think that was

641
00:23:22,390 --> 00:23:21,840
probably a ufo i mean to me it was a ufo

642
00:23:26,070 --> 00:23:22,400
it did

643
00:23:28,870 --> 00:23:26,080
three or four course direction changes

644
00:23:30,710 --> 00:23:28,880
and it kind of bobbed and weaved and

645
00:23:33,990 --> 00:23:30,720
then it went straight up

646
00:23:35,590 --> 00:23:34,000
and that was it and i thought my god it

647
00:23:37,669 --> 00:23:35,600
happened so fast

648
00:23:38,630 --> 00:23:37,679
i see what you mean but we're talking

649
00:23:40,230 --> 00:23:38,640
about when you see the

650
00:23:42,470 --> 00:23:40,240
like you see them all the time out where

651
00:23:43,750 --> 00:23:42,480
you're at here in indiana i don't get to

652
00:23:45,590 --> 00:23:43,760
see him as much

653
00:23:47,110 --> 00:23:45,600
because i live close to the city so the

654
00:23:50,390 --> 00:23:47,120
skies are usually so lit

655
00:23:51,990 --> 00:23:50,400
up you know what i mean but i

656
00:23:53,510 --> 00:23:52,000
seen this and at first i thought it was

657
00:23:56,950 --> 00:23:53,520
a japanese lanyard

658
00:24:00,070 --> 00:23:56,960
or chinese japanese chinese lana sure

659
00:24:02,830 --> 00:24:00,080
and there's no way it just it couldn't

660
00:24:05,909 --> 00:24:02,840
have been but it was that close

661
00:24:07,510 --> 00:24:05,919
and i don't know i don't know to this

662
00:24:09,830 --> 00:24:07,520
day but i tell you what that's another

663
00:24:11,909 --> 00:24:09,840
thing that drives me nuts the more

664
00:24:13,110 --> 00:24:11,919
the thing about this field is the more

665
00:24:19,830 --> 00:24:13,120
you see

666
00:24:25,750 --> 00:24:23,430
you know yeah you want to see more you

667
00:24:27,350 --> 00:24:25,760
got to know what it is like with evp

668
00:24:28,549 --> 00:24:27,360
that's my specialty electronic voice

669
00:24:31,269 --> 00:24:28,559
phenomena

670
00:24:33,269 --> 00:24:31,279
when i get that ghost voice on tape and

671
00:24:33,750 --> 00:24:33,279
i know there was nobody else in the room

672
00:24:37,110 --> 00:24:33,760
but me

673
00:24:40,230 --> 00:24:37,120
or me and a partner i gotta know

674
00:24:42,390 --> 00:24:40,240
where did it come from who was it

675
00:24:43,990 --> 00:24:42,400
you know how is this working sometimes i

676
00:24:46,630 --> 00:24:44,000
lay in bed at night thinking about the

677
00:24:48,310 --> 00:24:46,640
possibilities of extraterrestrials and

678
00:24:50,149 --> 00:24:48,320
and ghosts themselves and wonder if

679
00:24:51,190 --> 00:24:50,159
they're both the same wonder if they're

680
00:24:53,669 --> 00:24:51,200
linked

681
00:24:55,830 --> 00:24:53,679
what if we die we know because

682
00:24:58,710 --> 00:24:55,840
einstein's theory we become energy

683
00:25:00,870 --> 00:24:58,720
cannot be created nor destroyed so

684
00:25:02,549 --> 00:25:00,880
when we die we become one big energy

685
00:25:06,310 --> 00:25:02,559
force

686
00:25:09,750 --> 00:25:06,320
what if we're all of the same

687
00:25:12,870 --> 00:25:09,760
fiber i don't know and somehow it's uh

688
00:25:13,590 --> 00:25:12,880
controlled by extraterrestrials i i

689
00:25:17,269 --> 00:25:13,600
don't know

690
00:25:20,549 --> 00:25:17,279
extraterrestrials

691
00:25:22,549 --> 00:25:20,559
we just look different people see us in

692
00:25:24,310 --> 00:25:22,559
different form of spirits

693
00:25:25,750 --> 00:25:24,320
it's it's never ending like i said here

694
00:25:27,830 --> 00:25:25,760
we go down crazy train

695
00:25:29,909 --> 00:25:27,840
street because you could go all day with

696
00:25:32,549 --> 00:25:29,919
these theories

697
00:25:33,909 --> 00:25:32,559
i love them i i love the theories i love

698
00:25:36,630 --> 00:25:33,919
the theories you mentioned

699
00:25:37,990 --> 00:25:36,640
and you know absolutely it could there's

700
00:25:41,430 --> 00:25:38,000
there's so much value

701
00:25:44,310 --> 00:25:41,440
to theories and i'm glad you mentioned

702
00:25:44,549 --> 00:25:44,320
ed and lorraine warren uh sean did you

703
00:25:46,630 --> 00:25:44,559
have

704
00:25:48,070 --> 00:25:46,640
any contact with the warrens or did you

705
00:25:49,430 --> 00:25:48,080
ever come in contact with

706
00:25:51,110 --> 00:25:49,440
any of the stuff they've mentioned in

707
00:25:55,269 --> 00:25:51,120
the past

708
00:25:58,630 --> 00:25:55,279
i met ed lorraine warren uh back in the

709
00:26:01,269 --> 00:25:58,640
early 90s and it was brief

710
00:26:03,110 --> 00:26:01,279
i never got to go work cases with them

711
00:26:06,310 --> 00:26:03,120
or anything like that

712
00:26:08,149 --> 00:26:06,320
i did go to a couple places

713
00:26:09,909 --> 00:26:08,159
that they had investigated but no i

714
00:26:11,029 --> 00:26:09,919
never had a close connection with edmond

715
00:26:14,549 --> 00:26:11,039
lorraine warren

716
00:26:15,830 --> 00:26:14,559
john zaff is their grandson uh or their

717
00:26:20,149 --> 00:26:15,840
nephew

718
00:26:21,990 --> 00:26:20,159
contact with john i did get to go

719
00:26:24,310 --> 00:26:22,000
to some places with him i had some

720
00:26:27,510 --> 00:26:24,320
buddies set in on an exorcism

721
00:26:29,510 --> 00:26:27,520
that he helped perform but no

722
00:26:31,269 --> 00:26:29,520
no never really i've always kind of did

723
00:26:34,390 --> 00:26:31,279
my own man i kind of went rogue

724
00:26:36,310 --> 00:26:34,400
i started out after college i found out

725
00:26:38,390 --> 00:26:36,320
there was groups of people

726
00:26:39,470 --> 00:26:38,400
ghost hunters that would go out and look

727
00:26:42,070 --> 00:26:39,480
for these

728
00:26:43,350 --> 00:26:42,080
apparitions and go to people's homes and

729
00:26:45,029 --> 00:26:43,360
stuff like that so i thought it'd be a

730
00:26:47,350 --> 00:26:45,039
good idea to join

731
00:26:49,269 --> 00:26:47,360
it didn't take me long to figure out i'm

732
00:26:50,470 --> 00:26:49,279
kind of a loner i like to do things my

733
00:26:53,750 --> 00:26:50,480
own way

734
00:26:57,029 --> 00:26:53,760
and i kind of went off on my own

735
00:26:58,630 --> 00:26:57,039
so ever since then i've really

736
00:27:00,149 --> 00:26:58,640
went out with a small group of people

737
00:27:02,310 --> 00:27:00,159
it's it's me and

738
00:27:04,230 --> 00:27:02,320
usually a couple other uh buddies or

739
00:27:05,029 --> 00:27:04,240
something and we'll go spend the night

740
00:27:07,110 --> 00:27:05,039
somewhere and

741
00:27:09,269 --> 00:27:07,120
when i go out and investigate it's not

742
00:27:10,470 --> 00:27:09,279
all serious scientific

743
00:27:11,750 --> 00:27:10,480
because think about it when you're

744
00:27:13,350 --> 00:27:11,760
investigating a paranormal when

745
00:27:15,269 --> 00:27:13,360
paranormal activity happens

746
00:27:16,390 --> 00:27:15,279
what are people usually doing they're

747
00:27:18,549 --> 00:27:16,400
living their lives

748
00:27:20,230 --> 00:27:18,559
they're playing xbox they're making love

749
00:27:21,750 --> 00:27:20,240
they're in the shower

750
00:27:23,590 --> 00:27:21,760
they're just doing they're not holding

751
00:27:25,590 --> 00:27:23,600
the emf detector walking around the

752
00:27:26,230 --> 00:27:25,600
house going oh i don't build nothing

753
00:27:30,549 --> 00:27:26,240
here

754
00:27:31,750 --> 00:27:30,559
into a place it's not uncommon for me to

755
00:27:34,070 --> 00:27:31,760
put a six-pack on

756
00:27:35,190 --> 00:27:34,080
ice and make it a vacations day for me

757
00:27:38,230 --> 00:27:35,200
for the weekend

758
00:27:42,149 --> 00:27:38,240
and uh that's how i get results

759
00:27:42,549 --> 00:27:42,159
amen um just by being there the ghosts

760
00:27:44,950 --> 00:27:42,559
are

761
00:27:45,830 --> 00:27:44,960
they'll come to you if the place is

762
00:27:49,350 --> 00:27:45,840
haunted

763
00:27:51,909 --> 00:27:49,360
it'll show itself to you so or it won't

764
00:27:53,590 --> 00:27:51,919
one or two but there's no reason i don't

765
00:27:56,870 --> 00:27:53,600
set up grids and

766
00:27:59,110 --> 00:27:56,880
do every room base readings every five

767
00:28:02,149 --> 00:27:59,120
minutes and stuff like that i just

768
00:28:02,549 --> 00:28:02,159
i'm kind of a lazy boy investigation i

769
00:28:05,029 --> 00:28:02,559
guess

770
00:28:05,750 --> 00:28:05,039
because i don't even really i'm more of

771
00:28:08,710 --> 00:28:05,760
an

772
00:28:10,070 --> 00:28:08,720
experiencer now i love to experience it

773
00:28:12,470 --> 00:28:10,080
i don't even try to prove it to other

774
00:28:14,870 --> 00:28:12,480
people because i know it's real

775
00:28:16,470 --> 00:28:14,880
so i remember when i started out i had

776
00:28:19,029 --> 00:28:16,480
to prove it to everybody this is the

777
00:28:20,950 --> 00:28:19,039
truth guys it's happening here it is

778
00:28:22,389 --> 00:28:20,960
and now i just get everything i can and

779
00:28:22,630 --> 00:28:22,399
i'll play it for you if you want to hear

780
00:28:26,710 --> 00:28:22,640
it

781
00:28:29,510 --> 00:28:26,720
more power to you

782
00:28:30,070 --> 00:28:29,520
but i know it's real so i do it for me

783
00:28:33,029 --> 00:28:30,080
nowadays

784
00:28:34,789 --> 00:28:33,039
more than anything isn't that the truth

785
00:28:36,230 --> 00:28:34,799
like that that need to have to like

786
00:28:39,350 --> 00:28:36,240
prove it to people just

787
00:28:41,990 --> 00:28:39,360
melts away and i wanted to ask you

788
00:28:42,830 --> 00:28:42,000
uh something pretty cool that uh you had

789
00:29:08,149 --> 00:28:42,840
a

790
00:29:10,950 --> 00:29:08,159
since then

791
00:29:12,789 --> 00:29:10,960
uh solo which has been cool man i know

792
00:29:13,669 --> 00:29:12,799
some of the guys at the uh production

793
00:29:16,710 --> 00:29:13,679
companies

794
00:29:19,029 --> 00:29:16,720
down in uh santa monica and uh

795
00:29:19,990 --> 00:29:19,039
painless production is the one that did

796
00:29:21,830 --> 00:29:20,000
extreme paranormal

797
00:29:23,990 --> 00:29:21,840
and they're the ones that call me back a

798
00:29:25,750 --> 00:29:24,000
lot to do like i just did last year

799
00:29:27,510 --> 00:29:25,760
a thing called evil things which was on

800
00:29:29,830 --> 00:29:27,520
the dippik box

801
00:29:31,430 --> 00:29:29,840
um that was my last piece of work i did

802
00:29:33,909 --> 00:29:31,440
for television

803
00:29:35,909 --> 00:29:33,919
i love tv i love being on there when

804
00:29:38,870 --> 00:29:35,919
they let me tell my story

805
00:29:39,350 --> 00:29:38,880
and uh with extreme paranormal it was a

806
00:29:42,710 --> 00:29:39,360
little

807
00:29:45,830 --> 00:29:42,720
different it was uh tv

808
00:29:46,630 --> 00:29:45,840
is reaction reactionary so you have to

809
00:29:49,510 --> 00:29:46,640
react to

810
00:29:50,230 --> 00:29:49,520
everything i remember we got a lot of

811
00:29:52,389 --> 00:29:50,240
great stuff

812
00:29:54,310 --> 00:29:52,399
we can talk about that in a minute but

813
00:29:57,190 --> 00:29:54,320
when i was on set

814
00:29:58,870 --> 00:29:57,200
the weirdest thing is you got two people

815
00:30:01,190 --> 00:29:58,880
carrying cameras around and you got a

816
00:30:02,870 --> 00:30:01,200
director

817
00:30:04,950 --> 00:30:02,880
that's there watching everything that

818
00:30:06,710 --> 00:30:04,960
happens and you

819
00:30:08,389 --> 00:30:06,720
basically they want to see a reaction

820
00:30:09,830 --> 00:30:08,399
because when you're on tv

821
00:30:12,549 --> 00:30:09,840
i mean look if you look at ghost

822
00:30:16,070 --> 00:30:12,559
adventures my god that's the definition

823
00:30:19,669 --> 00:30:17,909
and i'm not putting down zach and his

824
00:30:22,070 --> 00:30:19,679
fellas but i'm just saying

825
00:30:24,470 --> 00:30:22,080
that is the definition oh my god oh my

826
00:30:26,950 --> 00:30:24,480
god because you have to tell

827
00:30:28,310 --> 00:30:26,960
the viewer this is a big deal because

828
00:30:30,230 --> 00:30:28,320
they're not there with you they can't

829
00:30:31,990 --> 00:30:30,240
see it and usually ghost hunting a lot

830
00:30:32,789 --> 00:30:32,000
of the times it's as boring as watching

831
00:30:34,470 --> 00:30:32,799
paint dry

832
00:30:36,470 --> 00:30:34,480
that's why you gotta have your friends

833
00:30:37,510 --> 00:30:36,480
you gotta have the six-pack on ice man

834
00:30:39,350 --> 00:30:37,520
because uh

835
00:30:40,789 --> 00:30:39,360
if you don't love being in the

836
00:30:42,470 --> 00:30:40,799
historical area

837
00:30:43,830 --> 00:30:42,480
or being with the people you're with

838
00:30:45,590 --> 00:30:43,840
you're not gonna do this long

839
00:30:47,430 --> 00:30:45,600
because you could go to a hundred places

840
00:30:49,430 --> 00:30:47,440
and out of those hundred places two of

841
00:30:53,269 --> 00:30:49,440
them could be on it

842
00:30:56,310 --> 00:30:53,279
so but with extreme paranormal

843
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the first episode was manchester

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so it's the middle of june

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hottest time of the year we're down in

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louisiana

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right outside of new orleans at a place

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called manchester swamp

849
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and it's a swamp it really was a swamp

850
00:31:14,470 --> 00:31:11,519
they took us down to this

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00:31:15,269 --> 00:31:14,480
gator infested snakes curled up

852
00:31:17,909 --> 00:31:15,279
everywhere

853
00:31:20,070 --> 00:31:17,919
grasshoppers six inches long and black

854
00:31:22,230 --> 00:31:20,080
as night i'd never seen things like this

855
00:31:23,590 --> 00:31:22,240
it was like being in the jungle brother

856
00:31:27,110 --> 00:31:23,600
and they took us out there

857
00:31:28,950 --> 00:31:27,120
probably i think uh casa call was at two

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o'clock in the morning so we would start

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at two a.m

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00:31:34,549 --> 00:31:33,760
and they took us to the cemetery where

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during the day

862
00:31:40,549 --> 00:31:38,799
the swamp would be up almost covering

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a good part of the cemetery and then at

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night the water would settle

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00:31:47,669 --> 00:31:46,000
or the tide would go out or whatever and

866
00:31:50,230 --> 00:31:47,679
you would be able to step foot on the

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cemetery and walk around a little bit

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00:31:53,990 --> 00:31:52,399
so this old cemetery was from a town

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00:31:56,789 --> 00:31:54,000
that had long been forgotten

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00:31:57,350 --> 00:31:56,799
the swamp swallowed it whole years ago

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00:31:58,630 --> 00:31:57,360
and a

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bunch of those people that were in the

873
00:32:03,269 --> 00:32:00,880
cemetery died from the hurricane

874
00:32:04,710 --> 00:32:03,279
well while we were there it was probably

875
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the well it was definitely the first

876
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week of filming

877
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maybe the third night i was excited

878
00:32:13,430 --> 00:32:10,480
nervous i'm learning my lines

879
00:32:15,029 --> 00:32:13,440
yes you have lines in reality tv show

880
00:32:17,590 --> 00:32:15,039
and i'm learning

881
00:32:19,029 --> 00:32:17,600
like just intro lines stuff like that

882
00:32:20,710 --> 00:32:19,039
you know this is sean burst and tonight

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00:32:25,669 --> 00:32:20,720
we're going in manchester

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00:32:29,269 --> 00:32:25,679
united so i'm standing there in the fog

885
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you can watch it it starts coming down

886
00:32:33,669 --> 00:32:31,840
the waterway there in the swamp and i

887
00:32:35,830 --> 00:32:33,679
mean you can see the alligator eyes

888
00:32:37,110 --> 00:32:35,840
all around you big yellow eyeballs just

889
00:32:38,630 --> 00:32:37,120
poking out of the water

890
00:32:40,070 --> 00:32:38,640
and they got a guy with the cattle rod

891
00:32:40,870 --> 00:32:40,080
that was standing on the edge of the

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cemetery

893
00:32:44,070 --> 00:32:42,320
and you would hear them zap them every

894
00:32:46,149 --> 00:32:44,080
once in a while to get them because they

895
00:32:48,070 --> 00:32:46,159
that's a nesting ground they would come

896
00:32:49,830 --> 00:32:48,080
up while we were filming

897
00:32:51,430 --> 00:32:49,840
and they would have to zap them back off

898
00:32:55,750 --> 00:32:51,440
the

899
00:32:58,389 --> 00:32:55,760
been eaten alive right

900
00:32:59,509 --> 00:32:58,399
or had an alligator problem anyway i'm

901
00:33:03,830 --> 00:32:59,519
watching this fog

902
00:33:06,630 --> 00:33:03,840
and we're sitting on this boat and me

903
00:33:07,590 --> 00:33:06,640
jason and a couple of production people

904
00:33:09,990 --> 00:33:07,600
we're just sitting there and we're

905
00:33:14,230 --> 00:33:10,000
drinking some water and hanging out

906
00:33:16,389 --> 00:33:14,240
and we seem what look like a man

907
00:33:17,669 --> 00:33:16,399
walking towards us and we thought what

908
00:33:19,430 --> 00:33:17,679
in the hell

909
00:33:20,710 --> 00:33:19,440
is a dude out in the middle of the swamp

910
00:33:22,710 --> 00:33:20,720
because you could only get to this part

911
00:33:24,630 --> 00:33:22,720
of the swamp by boat

912
00:33:26,070 --> 00:33:24,640
and it's creepy as hell out there anyway

913
00:33:28,070 --> 00:33:26,080
and those people live down there on the

914
00:33:31,190 --> 00:33:28,080
swamp some of them are kind of

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00:33:34,310 --> 00:33:31,200
you know a little uh

916
00:33:36,310 --> 00:33:34,320
crazy so

917
00:33:38,630 --> 00:33:36,320
we're kind of watching this guy and he's

918
00:33:39,750 --> 00:33:38,640
walking and walking and he's wearing

919
00:33:41,750 --> 00:33:39,760
i'll never forget looks like he's

920
00:33:45,430 --> 00:33:41,760
wearing blue jeans and a white t-shirt

921
00:33:48,789 --> 00:33:45,440
and he kept walking and then he was gone

922
00:33:50,389 --> 00:33:48,799
right in front of us um no sooner that

923
00:33:52,789 --> 00:33:50,399
he came out of the fog

924
00:33:54,789 --> 00:33:52,799
the guy was gone and we were just

925
00:33:58,310 --> 00:33:54,799
sitting there with our mouths open going

926
00:34:00,310 --> 00:33:58,320
oh my god what'd we just see

927
00:34:01,509 --> 00:34:00,320
and the guy had told us to own that part

928
00:34:03,750 --> 00:34:01,519
of manchester swamp

929
00:34:05,990 --> 00:34:03,760
that there was ghost out there in the

930
00:34:07,750 --> 00:34:06,000
swamp that he would see him on the banks

931
00:34:11,030 --> 00:34:07,760
of the swamp

932
00:34:12,550 --> 00:34:11,040
almost weekly um it's a different place

933
00:34:15,829 --> 00:34:12,560
down there in new orleans man

934
00:34:18,710 --> 00:34:15,839
the guru the the werewolf that they

935
00:34:20,550 --> 00:34:18,720
these people believe in this stuff and

936
00:34:21,669 --> 00:34:20,560
rightful so they believe in voodoo they

937
00:34:25,270 --> 00:34:21,679
believe in

938
00:34:25,909 --> 00:34:25,280
uh ghosts and werewolves and you name it

939
00:34:27,750 --> 00:34:25,919
man

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00:34:29,349 --> 00:34:27,760
and uh i'll tell you what i was a

941
00:34:30,869 --> 00:34:29,359
believer after i left that place that

942
00:34:33,349 --> 00:34:30,879
was one of them

943
00:34:34,710 --> 00:34:33,359
and then after we got done there they

944
00:34:39,109 --> 00:34:34,720
took us to a place called

945
00:34:41,109 --> 00:34:39,119
called the new mexico state penitentiary

946
00:34:43,990 --> 00:34:41,119
one of the most haunted places i think

947
00:34:46,149 --> 00:34:44,000
i've ever been to in my entire life

948
00:34:47,510 --> 00:34:46,159
and that was the second episode of

949
00:34:50,629 --> 00:34:47,520
extreme paranormal

950
00:34:51,589 --> 00:34:50,639
and at this prison it's where they uh

951
00:34:53,270 --> 00:34:51,599
here you go ryan

952
00:34:54,950 --> 00:34:53,280
this prison is where they filmed the

953
00:34:58,710 --> 00:34:54,960
longest yard with adam sandler

954
00:34:59,829 --> 00:34:58,720
you seen it okay so that prison that he

955
00:35:01,589 --> 00:34:59,839
was at

956
00:35:03,430 --> 00:35:01,599
it was the worst prison right in

957
00:35:05,990 --> 00:35:03,440
american history happened back in the

958
00:35:08,950 --> 00:35:06,000
80s early 80s late 70s

959
00:35:10,870 --> 00:35:08,960
um i mean just disgusting it was one

960
00:35:13,270 --> 00:35:10,880
rival gang against another

961
00:35:15,270 --> 00:35:13,280
people's intestines were pulled out they

962
00:35:15,750 --> 00:35:15,280
were hung by him from the walls the

963
00:35:18,069 --> 00:35:15,760
blood

964
00:35:19,910 --> 00:35:18,079
still in some of the places you can

965
00:35:21,750 --> 00:35:19,920
still see the blood marks

966
00:35:23,430 --> 00:35:21,760
and up in the cell blocks on the top

967
00:35:25,750 --> 00:35:23,440
floor there's even

968
00:35:28,150 --> 00:35:25,760
on the floor it looks like an outline of

969
00:35:31,750 --> 00:35:28,160
somebody in a fetal position

970
00:35:32,310 --> 00:35:31,760
well that was from a guy being burnt

971
00:35:35,030 --> 00:35:32,320
alive

972
00:35:35,670 --> 00:35:35,040
his oil and his skin had seared into the

973
00:35:38,950 --> 00:35:35,680
cement

974
00:35:41,270 --> 00:35:38,960
leaving that uh him

975
00:35:43,270 --> 00:35:41,280
in that position that fetal position on

976
00:35:44,230 --> 00:35:43,280
the floor because they pulled he was the

977
00:35:47,750 --> 00:35:44,240
snitch

978
00:35:48,310 --> 00:35:47,760
murder that happened that's what started

979
00:35:50,550 --> 00:35:48,320
the uh

980
00:35:52,069 --> 00:35:50,560
the riots and they pulled this cat out

981
00:35:54,870 --> 00:35:52,079
and they burned him alive

982
00:35:57,430 --> 00:35:54,880
and his grease from his body still has

983
00:36:00,550 --> 00:35:57,440
his imprint there today

984
00:36:02,630 --> 00:36:00,560
so we took some uh lighter fluid and we

985
00:36:05,670 --> 00:36:02,640
outlined the fetal position of the

986
00:36:07,430 --> 00:36:05,680
deceased inmate and nathan did like a

987
00:36:09,750 --> 00:36:07,440
ritual thing to try to

988
00:36:10,870 --> 00:36:09,760
get the dead going while he was doing

989
00:36:13,589 --> 00:36:10,880
that

990
00:36:14,950 --> 00:36:13,599
in the farthest farthest part of the

991
00:36:16,630 --> 00:36:14,960
cell blocks

992
00:36:18,470 --> 00:36:16,640
nobody was down there there was only

993
00:36:22,470 --> 00:36:18,480
four of us in this entire prison

994
00:36:24,470 --> 00:36:22,480
we heard the door slam one of the uh

995
00:36:26,069 --> 00:36:24,480
cell doors slam and you know what that

996
00:36:27,589 --> 00:36:26,079
sounds like

997
00:36:29,270 --> 00:36:27,599
not that you've been in prison but you

998
00:36:32,790 --> 00:36:29,280
know what

999
00:36:34,870 --> 00:36:32,800
big door sounds like so that slammed and

1000
00:36:38,630 --> 00:36:34,880
you heard a man's voice

1001
00:36:41,030 --> 00:36:38,640
just scream let me just

1002
00:36:43,349 --> 00:36:41,040
start it low and it picked up and i mean

1003
00:36:44,870 --> 00:36:43,359
eat all of us man the hair just shot up

1004
00:36:48,710 --> 00:36:44,880
on the back of your neck your

1005
00:36:51,270 --> 00:36:48,720
your skin's ice cold we even had to get

1006
00:36:52,230 --> 00:36:51,280
two more camera people because we had

1007
00:36:54,630 --> 00:36:52,240
two of them

1008
00:36:57,030 --> 00:36:54,640
quit and refused to go back on set after

1009
00:37:00,230 --> 00:36:57,040
that happened that night

1010
00:37:02,150 --> 00:37:00,240
um i went to the restroom

1011
00:37:05,030 --> 00:37:02,160
they had there was no power in there so

1012
00:37:07,670 --> 00:37:05,040
they had lanterns all through the prison

1013
00:37:09,510 --> 00:37:07,680
and i had to go to the restroom this was

1014
00:37:11,190 --> 00:37:09,520
later on through the night so i walked

1015
00:37:12,710 --> 00:37:11,200
down the cell block and i would get lost

1016
00:37:13,349 --> 00:37:12,720
every five minutes around that place

1017
00:37:16,550 --> 00:37:13,359
because it was

1018
00:37:18,230 --> 00:37:16,560
it was crazy it was like catacombs i was

1019
00:37:22,710 --> 00:37:18,240
in the bathroom

1020
00:37:25,829 --> 00:37:22,720
i had the stall door shut and i heard

1021
00:37:28,550 --> 00:37:25,839
footsteps and i heard the door open

1022
00:37:30,470 --> 00:37:28,560
to the bathroom and i heard the water

1023
00:37:32,069 --> 00:37:30,480
come on

1024
00:37:34,310 --> 00:37:32,079
so i was playing around going what are

1025
00:37:36,150 --> 00:37:34,320
you doing who's in here

1026
00:37:37,750 --> 00:37:36,160
laughing and cutting up and everything

1027
00:37:40,710 --> 00:37:37,760
else

1028
00:37:41,510 --> 00:37:40,720
well i heard the door open again and i

1029
00:37:44,550 --> 00:37:41,520
had just

1030
00:37:47,030 --> 00:37:44,560
walked out of the stall and i went down

1031
00:37:49,990 --> 00:37:47,040
the hall there was nobody there

1032
00:37:51,349 --> 00:37:50,000
nobody there's no way nobody could have

1033
00:37:53,270 --> 00:37:51,359
been there they would have to took off

1034
00:37:55,430 --> 00:37:53,280
take off running because it's a straight

1035
00:37:57,430 --> 00:37:55,440
corridor there there's nowhere to cut or

1036
00:37:59,510 --> 00:37:57,440
turn and you know the prison corridors

1037
00:38:02,950 --> 00:37:59,520
man they last forever

1038
00:38:05,510 --> 00:38:02,960
so that the man screaming

1039
00:38:07,829 --> 00:38:05,520
the shadows at manchester swamp all

1040
00:38:10,310 --> 00:38:07,839
those those three things were

1041
00:38:11,109 --> 00:38:10,320
were really amazing uh things that we

1042
00:38:13,589 --> 00:38:11,119
had happen

1043
00:38:14,710 --> 00:38:13,599
i was at penn hirsch state school in

1044
00:38:18,710 --> 00:38:14,720
asylum

1045
00:38:19,349 --> 00:38:18,720
in philadelphia and we were walking up

1046
00:38:22,069 --> 00:38:19,359
to this

1047
00:38:23,990 --> 00:38:22,079
out building and they used to beat and

1048
00:38:27,510 --> 00:38:24,000
abuse these kids there was a

1049
00:38:30,310 --> 00:38:27,520
hospital for uh the epilep epileptic

1050
00:38:32,150 --> 00:38:30,320
and the clinically insane yeah how do

1051
00:38:34,150 --> 00:38:32,160
those two go together right

1052
00:38:37,190 --> 00:38:34,160
but it was it was it they had a child

1053
00:38:38,950 --> 00:38:37,200
wing a woman's wing and a men's wing

1054
00:38:41,030 --> 00:38:38,960
and we were in the children's fluid at

1055
00:38:41,589 --> 00:38:41,040
this hospital and right before we walked

1056
00:38:43,670 --> 00:38:41,599
in

1057
00:38:45,589 --> 00:38:43,680
i seen and so did three other people

1058
00:38:46,230 --> 00:38:45,599
with me a man standing on the second

1059
00:38:49,109 --> 00:38:46,240
floor

1060
00:38:50,470 --> 00:38:49,119
they had a sheriff to brief us before we

1061
00:38:52,390 --> 00:38:50,480
started filming that night and the

1062
00:38:53,910 --> 00:38:52,400
sheriff said watch out because there's a

1063
00:38:55,589 --> 00:38:53,920
lot of homeless people

1064
00:38:58,230 --> 00:38:55,599
and we can't get them all out all the

1065
00:38:59,990 --> 00:38:58,240
time and you just never know

1066
00:39:01,349 --> 00:39:00,000
so be careful you know going around

1067
00:39:01,750 --> 00:39:01,359
corners and stuff what you might run

1068
00:39:05,270 --> 00:39:01,760
into

1069
00:39:06,870 --> 00:39:05,280
just be cool and call us if you need us

1070
00:39:08,630 --> 00:39:06,880
so we're getting ready to walk into this

1071
00:39:10,230 --> 00:39:08,640
place and i tell them you see that man

1072
00:39:12,470 --> 00:39:10,240
standing up there

1073
00:39:13,510 --> 00:39:12,480
and they look up and they say yep we

1074
00:39:15,349 --> 00:39:13,520
better call the sheriff

1075
00:39:17,270 --> 00:39:15,359
so they called the sheriff we went

1076
00:39:19,430 --> 00:39:17,280
inside guess what

1077
00:39:20,790 --> 00:39:19,440
there is no second floor the floor was

1078
00:39:22,230 --> 00:39:20,800
collapsed

1079
00:39:24,390 --> 00:39:22,240
there was no way nobody could have been

1080
00:39:28,710 --> 00:39:24,400
standing up there there was no floor

1081
00:39:30,870 --> 00:39:28,720
what so i i thought that was an amazing

1082
00:39:33,030 --> 00:39:30,880
one of the amazing things my tails from

1083
00:39:33,589 --> 00:39:33,040
the road man from filming the tv show

1084
00:39:35,990 --> 00:39:33,599
but

1085
00:39:37,750 --> 00:39:36,000
that stuff happens when you're on the

1086
00:39:39,430 --> 00:39:37,760
set usually you don't catch it with

1087
00:39:40,710 --> 00:39:39,440
camera though because the camera's not

1088
00:39:43,349 --> 00:39:40,720
rolling

1089
00:39:45,030 --> 00:39:43,359
that was when i seen that guy they told

1090
00:39:47,510 --> 00:39:45,040
me they said okay

1091
00:39:48,390 --> 00:39:47,520
uh they they seen it and they go well

1092
00:39:49,910 --> 00:39:48,400
we're going to start

1093
00:39:52,230 --> 00:39:49,920
rolling now because we weren't filming

1094
00:39:54,870 --> 00:39:52,240
we were just walking up to the place

1095
00:39:57,109 --> 00:39:54,880
and they go we're going to start rolling

1096
00:40:00,550 --> 00:39:57,119
so i had to replay

1097
00:40:02,310 --> 00:40:00,560
how i how i acted when i seen the guy

1098
00:40:02,870 --> 00:40:02,320
for the first time so i was like oh my

1099
00:40:05,430 --> 00:40:02,880
god

1100
00:40:06,870 --> 00:40:05,440
did you guys see the the dude up there

1101
00:40:09,190 --> 00:40:06,880
in the window or whatever

1102
00:40:10,390 --> 00:40:09,200
and you know that's tv magic that's how

1103
00:40:11,750 --> 00:40:10,400
they got to do that because you can't

1104
00:40:13,030 --> 00:40:11,760
you're not going to catch everything on

1105
00:40:15,270 --> 00:40:13,040
tape but

1106
00:40:16,309 --> 00:40:15,280
it uh man it was cool i wouldn't change

1107
00:40:18,550 --> 00:40:16,319
it for the world

1108
00:40:19,430 --> 00:40:18,560
it was kind of hard losing it though

1109
00:40:22,230 --> 00:40:19,440
because i thought

1110
00:40:24,150 --> 00:40:22,240
here we go i thought we did well i

1111
00:40:26,150 --> 00:40:24,160
thought we could compete with um

1112
00:40:27,430 --> 00:40:26,160
ghost adventures and all that we were

1113
00:40:30,870 --> 00:40:27,440
the first one

1114
00:40:32,710 --> 00:40:30,880
ghost investigation

1115
00:40:34,069 --> 00:40:32,720
we actually dove to the bottom of lake

1116
00:40:35,910 --> 00:40:34,079
rodoso

1117
00:40:37,589 --> 00:40:35,920
uh looking for the ghost of martin

1118
00:40:40,470 --> 00:40:37,599
nelson

1119
00:40:42,230 --> 00:40:40,480
and uh i thought it was a good show but

1120
00:40:43,430 --> 00:40:42,240
they said we were too extreme and they

1121
00:40:46,710 --> 00:40:43,440
canceled us

1122
00:40:48,870 --> 00:40:46,720
wow and that's the way it is hollywood's

1123
00:40:53,190 --> 00:40:48,880
that way and tv is that way

1124
00:40:53,829 --> 00:40:53,200
and man i'm it's so true i'm glad that

1125
00:40:57,349 --> 00:40:53,839
you mentioned

1126
00:41:00,309 --> 00:40:57,359
how it really is because i've had those

1127
00:41:01,190 --> 00:41:00,319
situations too where at least you know

1128
00:41:03,270 --> 00:41:01,200
in your case they

1129
00:41:04,950 --> 00:41:03,280
they said hey let's reenact it and in my

1130
00:41:07,349 --> 00:41:04,960
case like we were done

1131
00:41:08,870 --> 00:41:07,359
filming i can't mention what it was but

1132
00:41:10,309 --> 00:41:08,880
we were done filming

1133
00:41:11,910 --> 00:41:10,319
and we're all just sitting there kind of

1134
00:41:12,710 --> 00:41:11,920
like you said you know hanging out

1135
00:41:16,069 --> 00:41:12,720
having a beer

1136
00:41:18,390 --> 00:41:16,079
and a taco i think and there and

1137
00:41:20,230 --> 00:41:18,400
all sudden you know the craziest light

1138
00:41:23,030 --> 00:41:20,240
you've ever seen

1139
00:41:23,829 --> 00:41:23,040
is in the you know back by a ridge and

1140
00:41:25,109 --> 00:41:23,839
anyway

1141
00:41:26,950 --> 00:41:25,119
there's nothing you can do it's like

1142
00:41:30,390 --> 00:41:26,960
okay well that was a wrap we're done

1143
00:41:33,349 --> 00:41:30,400
um but what are you gonna do about it

1144
00:41:33,990 --> 00:41:33,359
exactly there's nothing you can do yeah

1145
00:41:36,069 --> 00:41:34,000
you're always

1146
00:41:37,670 --> 00:41:36,079
out there see i love these stories about

1147
00:41:39,589 --> 00:41:37,680
it you love the stories i got i love

1148
00:41:41,109 --> 00:41:39,599
your stories man so we should interview

1149
00:41:41,670 --> 00:41:41,119
each other all day long just back and

1150
00:41:44,069 --> 00:41:41,680
forth

1151
00:41:44,870 --> 00:41:44,079
hey we could go on for hours before you

1152
00:41:47,589 --> 00:41:44,880
could but

1153
00:41:48,870 --> 00:41:47,599
they uh out where you're at out where

1154
00:41:50,790 --> 00:41:48,880
the studios is

1155
00:41:52,069 --> 00:41:50,800
and your home and everything you're

1156
00:41:54,230 --> 00:41:52,079
right there

1157
00:41:55,910 --> 00:41:54,240
you now have your own little piece of

1158
00:41:58,550 --> 00:41:55,920
god's country you have your own little

1159
00:41:59,829 --> 00:41:58,560
ranch out there right oh it's just just

1160
00:42:00,790 --> 00:41:59,839
a little something just a little

1161
00:42:03,190 --> 00:42:00,800
something where i can

1162
00:42:05,030 --> 00:42:03,200
you know park legally and and not get

1163
00:42:05,990 --> 00:42:05,040
chased off but yeah it's it's a nice

1164
00:42:08,950 --> 00:42:06,000
place to kind of

1165
00:42:10,470 --> 00:42:08,960
unwind and and do whatever but getting

1166
00:42:13,910 --> 00:42:10,480
back to your

1167
00:42:17,750 --> 00:42:13,920
research style sean i gotta ask whether

1168
00:42:20,069 --> 00:42:17,760
it's diving to the bottom of a lake or

1169
00:42:21,910 --> 00:42:20,079
gator infested swamps at 2 am or a

1170
00:42:24,470 --> 00:42:21,920
historic haunted building

1171
00:42:25,430 --> 00:42:24,480
with your experience in oddness and high

1172
00:42:27,109 --> 00:42:25,440
strangeness

1173
00:42:28,550 --> 00:42:27,119
what are your thoughts on the recent

1174
00:42:32,630 --> 00:42:28,560
utah monolith

1175
00:42:36,069 --> 00:42:32,640
2020 in general and this darn virus

1176
00:42:39,270 --> 00:42:36,079
yeah my god first off

1177
00:42:41,109 --> 00:42:39,280
2020 what is it good for

1178
00:42:42,790 --> 00:42:41,119
you know what i mean we don't need it

1179
00:42:45,670 --> 00:42:42,800
man we got to get done with this year

1180
00:42:48,950 --> 00:42:45,680
it's killing us i i've had the worst

1181
00:42:52,870 --> 00:42:48,960
worst luck this year uh

1182
00:42:55,030 --> 00:42:52,880
it's just been like a bad dream man and

1183
00:42:56,710 --> 00:42:55,040
you know the monolith when i seen that i

1184
00:42:58,790 --> 00:42:56,720
kind of got excited because that's up

1185
00:43:01,190 --> 00:42:58,800
our alley i thought oh no this is cool

1186
00:43:04,550 --> 00:43:01,200
man straight out of space odyssey right

1187
00:43:07,030 --> 00:43:04,560
yeah the movie but i have

1188
00:43:08,550 --> 00:43:07,040
no idea then they had some people come

1189
00:43:09,670 --> 00:43:08,560
forward that's been doing it but there's

1190
00:43:11,190 --> 00:43:09,680
no way they could have

1191
00:43:13,349 --> 00:43:11,200
gotten them to the places that they've

1192
00:43:15,190 --> 00:43:13,359
been got it's it's like our modern day

1193
00:43:18,230 --> 00:43:15,200
crop circles

1194
00:43:19,270 --> 00:43:18,240
you know is it is it real is someone

1195
00:43:21,190 --> 00:43:19,280
staging these

1196
00:43:23,510 --> 00:43:21,200
and why would they go through the

1197
00:43:25,589 --> 00:43:23,520
trouble of making these things and and

1198
00:43:29,430 --> 00:43:25,599
placing them out there

1199
00:43:30,829 --> 00:43:29,440
um i don't know if you want to look at

1200
00:43:35,750 --> 00:43:30,839
it from a side of

1201
00:43:44,230 --> 00:43:40,790
kind of science maybe it's a sign

1202
00:43:45,990 --> 00:43:44,240
um i mean this has been crazy a year

1203
00:43:49,510 --> 00:43:46,000
it's been a good year

1204
00:43:51,430 --> 00:43:49,520
for ufology you can't you can't say uh

1205
00:43:53,349 --> 00:43:51,440
that it hasn't been because with the us

1206
00:43:57,349 --> 00:43:53,359
military admitting the existence of

1207
00:44:01,670 --> 00:44:00,230
it's it's been groundbreaking and now

1208
00:44:03,589 --> 00:44:01,680
this stuff happening

1209
00:44:06,390 --> 00:44:03,599
it's uh i don't know what do you think

1210
00:44:08,470 --> 00:44:06,400
it is i'm kind of the loss for it i have

1211
00:44:10,550 --> 00:44:08,480
no idea

1212
00:44:13,109 --> 00:44:10,560
i'm with you my man i don't think that

1213
00:44:14,790 --> 00:44:13,119
these i'm just gonna say it my opinion

1214
00:44:16,630 --> 00:44:14,800
i'm just gonna say it i don't think that

1215
00:44:18,630 --> 00:44:16,640
the people that are claiming

1216
00:44:20,710 --> 00:44:18,640
you know uh trying to sell these things

1217
00:44:22,950 --> 00:44:20,720
for 45 000 a pop

1218
00:44:24,630 --> 00:44:22,960
i don't think that that's necessarily

1219
00:44:25,510 --> 00:44:24,640
the way somebody who has hidden

1220
00:44:27,910 --> 00:44:25,520
something for

1221
00:44:29,670 --> 00:44:27,920
at least six years that we know of would

1222
00:44:33,750 --> 00:44:29,680
react to something like this

1223
00:44:36,390 --> 00:44:33,760
and i think you know i i watched a

1224
00:44:37,670 --> 00:44:36,400
a very good analysis on uh the youtube

1225
00:44:40,790 --> 00:44:37,680
channel was jailbreak

1226
00:44:42,470 --> 00:44:40,800
overlanders jailbreak overland and

1227
00:44:44,790 --> 00:44:42,480
the gentleman goes out there and he

1228
00:44:47,589 --> 00:44:44,800
can't he's like an overlander hardcore

1229
00:44:49,190 --> 00:44:47,599
guy for buying he can't find the thing

1230
00:44:51,510 --> 00:44:49,200
and he has a drone and he's like it's

1231
00:44:55,030 --> 00:44:51,520
not as easy to find as people are saying

1232
00:44:58,150 --> 00:44:55,040
well by the next day it's gone and

1233
00:44:59,910 --> 00:44:58,160
uh his moab buddies who have been to the

1234
00:45:02,230 --> 00:44:59,920
location and tested it

1235
00:45:02,950 --> 00:45:02,240
they found that it was super true you

1236
00:45:05,349 --> 00:45:02,960
know like

1237
00:45:07,510 --> 00:45:05,359
after five six years that we know of

1238
00:45:07,910 --> 00:45:07,520
barely being into the sandstone with

1239
00:45:11,190 --> 00:45:07,920
just

1240
00:45:11,990 --> 00:45:11,200
epoxy it was still totally true and the

1241
00:45:14,870 --> 00:45:12,000
placement

1242
00:45:16,470 --> 00:45:14,880
was strange in the amphitheater so like

1243
00:45:17,030 --> 00:45:16,480
if you were within a foot or two of this

1244
00:45:19,589 --> 00:45:17,040
thing

1245
00:45:20,309 --> 00:45:19,599
your voice sounded like you were on a pa

1246
00:45:21,910 --> 00:45:20,319
system

1247
00:45:24,150 --> 00:45:21,920
and if you were yeah and if you were

1248
00:45:24,710 --> 00:45:24,160
away from it like they could barely hear

1249
00:45:26,630 --> 00:45:24,720
you

1250
00:45:28,309 --> 00:45:26,640
and then the other odd thing is kind of

1251
00:45:29,190 --> 00:45:28,319
like it was sort of like a triangle

1252
00:45:31,829 --> 00:45:29,200
right

1253
00:45:33,349 --> 00:45:31,839
and the triangle aligned perfectly with

1254
00:45:35,990 --> 00:45:33,359
a waterfall that came

1255
00:45:37,910 --> 00:45:36,000
into the amphitheater so the belief is

1256
00:45:39,589 --> 00:45:37,920
that this would split the water as it

1257
00:45:41,270 --> 00:45:39,599
came in so it would go around you and

1258
00:45:42,550 --> 00:45:41,280
then your voice would be magnified and

1259
00:45:44,230 --> 00:45:42,560
it would just be like this surreal

1260
00:45:47,109 --> 00:45:44,240
experience if it was used in

1261
00:45:49,430 --> 00:45:47,119
an occult way but nobody's you know who

1262
00:45:51,829 --> 00:45:49,440
know we may never know

1263
00:45:53,030 --> 00:45:51,839
so like a communication device possibly

1264
00:46:00,550 --> 00:45:53,040
if

1265
00:46:01,990 --> 00:46:00,560
gems here on earth i wish they would

1266
00:46:04,150 --> 00:46:02,000
give some instruction with them because

1267
00:46:06,950 --> 00:46:04,160
we need it

1268
00:46:08,950 --> 00:46:06,960
i mean my god it is as far you know how

1269
00:46:09,910 --> 00:46:08,960
dumb i sound i'm like well it's space

1270
00:46:11,349 --> 00:46:09,920
odyssey and

1271
00:46:15,030 --> 00:46:11,359
it's kind of like from the land of the

1272
00:46:18,710 --> 00:46:15,040
lost do you believe in life after love

1273
00:46:20,630 --> 00:46:18,720
remember yeah oh god what was the

1274
00:46:23,750 --> 00:46:20,640
monsters what was the reptiles names

1275
00:46:25,349 --> 00:46:23,760
the sleep bags they're so cool yeah they

1276
00:46:27,270 --> 00:46:25,359
had the crystals and

1277
00:46:29,270 --> 00:46:27,280
everything and they would talk into them

1278
00:46:31,349 --> 00:46:29,280
that's what it reminded me of

1279
00:46:33,270 --> 00:46:31,359
and the first thing that comes to mind

1280
00:46:37,270 --> 00:46:33,280
if it's a real deal

1281
00:46:44,309 --> 00:46:40,829
some way is this a modern day

1282
00:46:46,230 --> 00:46:44,319
uh communication

1283
00:46:47,829 --> 00:46:46,240
type of thing that we just don't know

1284
00:46:49,910 --> 00:46:47,839
how to use

1285
00:46:51,589 --> 00:46:49,920
and why would aliens drop technology

1286
00:46:53,330 --> 00:46:51,599
that they know

1287
00:46:54,710 --> 00:46:53,340
we can't use

1288
00:46:57,670 --> 00:46:54,720
[Music]

1289
00:46:59,750 --> 00:46:57,680
i don't know man it's strange and it is

1290
00:47:01,589 --> 00:46:59,760
i i think it's probably man-made

1291
00:47:02,790 --> 00:47:01,599
and i'm actually a hundred percent sure

1292
00:47:04,790 --> 00:47:02,800
i think it's man-made

1293
00:47:07,030 --> 00:47:04,800
and the weird thing is though why would

1294
00:47:09,829 --> 00:47:07,040
somebody go to all that expense and

1295
00:47:11,589 --> 00:47:09,839
it really is like you know 2001 a space

1296
00:47:12,630 --> 00:47:11,599
odyssey i think somebody did something

1297
00:47:15,910 --> 00:47:12,640
with this

1298
00:47:17,750 --> 00:47:15,920
six years or later and they had a riot

1299
00:47:19,109 --> 00:47:17,760
or a blast doing whatever they did and

1300
00:47:21,030 --> 00:47:19,119
since then it's hush hush but that's

1301
00:47:23,990 --> 00:47:21,040
just my personal opinion

1302
00:47:25,589 --> 00:47:24,000
but i don't know man i have to ask you

1303
00:47:27,670 --> 00:47:25,599
something that you mentioned that i have

1304
00:47:28,309 --> 00:47:27,680
not heard for a long time so i have to

1305
00:47:31,349 --> 00:47:28,319
do it

1306
00:47:32,309 --> 00:47:31,359
you mentioned the rugaroo and voodoo did

1307
00:47:35,349 --> 00:47:32,319
you have you come across

1308
00:47:38,630 --> 00:47:35,359
anything with the ruggeroo or voodoo

1309
00:47:42,549 --> 00:47:38,640
unfortunately i have yet to see

1310
00:47:45,990 --> 00:47:42,559
a werewolf i think

1311
00:47:49,270 --> 00:47:46,000
what they see down there is not a

1312
00:47:54,630 --> 00:47:49,280
werewolf but i think it's actually

1313
00:47:59,109 --> 00:47:57,109
because that's you hear that story down

1314
00:48:02,230 --> 00:47:59,119
there too but not as much as the

1315
00:48:08,390 --> 00:48:06,470
but we all know down in the swamps uh

1316
00:48:10,150 --> 00:48:08,400
you know boggy creek stuff like that

1317
00:48:11,510 --> 00:48:10,160
you've always heard the legends of the

1318
00:48:13,670 --> 00:48:11,520
big feet that are down there

1319
00:48:15,109 --> 00:48:13,680
but down in louisiana down in that part

1320
00:48:17,510 --> 00:48:15,119
of manchester swamp

1321
00:48:18,710 --> 00:48:17,520
you just never hear about the bigfoot

1322
00:48:20,710 --> 00:48:18,720
you always hear about the

1323
00:48:22,549 --> 00:48:20,720
wolfman but it's the same thing it

1324
00:48:25,750 --> 00:48:22,559
leaves prince it leaves hair

1325
00:48:29,750 --> 00:48:25,760
on trees it snaps the trees it throws

1326
00:48:32,150 --> 00:48:29,760
rocks things like that so it sounds

1327
00:48:33,910 --> 00:48:32,160
very similar to what the bigfoot

1328
00:48:35,430 --> 00:48:33,920
researchers when they go out what they

1329
00:48:38,470 --> 00:48:35,440
look for

1330
00:48:43,190 --> 00:48:38,480
and i tell you what the man that i

1331
00:48:45,190 --> 00:48:43,200
he was a frenchman and uh well he was

1332
00:48:46,790 --> 00:48:45,200
cajun i guess right they're all kind of

1333
00:48:50,710 --> 00:48:46,800
little french down there in the swamps

1334
00:48:54,069 --> 00:48:50,720
and um he swore by it

1335
00:48:57,270 --> 00:48:54,079
ryan he swears that he had seen

1336
00:49:01,589 --> 00:48:57,280
through guru uh

1337
00:49:03,910 --> 00:49:01,599
monthly that it walks his

1338
00:49:05,589 --> 00:49:03,920
walks the swamp up and down back and

1339
00:49:07,030 --> 00:49:05,599
forth he even had trail cameras out

1340
00:49:08,790 --> 00:49:07,040
there to catch things and he had

1341
00:49:11,109 --> 00:49:08,800
pictures of shadows and

1342
00:49:13,349 --> 00:49:11,119
you know the stuff like that but i think

1343
00:49:16,309 --> 00:49:13,359
that's what it is i think it's a bigfoot

1344
00:49:17,750 --> 00:49:16,319
i'm not i've i don't know i'm not saying

1345
00:49:19,990 --> 00:49:17,760
that

1346
00:49:22,870 --> 00:49:20,000
lycanthrope can't exist or whatever

1347
00:49:25,589 --> 00:49:22,880
maybe that there's a possibility

1348
00:49:26,950 --> 00:49:25,599
something like that is a crypto type

1349
00:49:28,950 --> 00:49:26,960
thing

1350
00:49:31,109 --> 00:49:28,960
but that's what i think it is i think

1351
00:49:33,910 --> 00:49:31,119
it's bigfoot

1352
00:49:34,390 --> 00:49:33,920
yeah man because this stuff happens i i

1353
00:49:36,309 --> 00:49:34,400
was just

1354
00:49:37,990 --> 00:49:36,319
uh there's a gentleman in the four

1355
00:49:41,270 --> 00:49:38,000
corners area

1356
00:49:43,109 --> 00:49:41,280
and he swears like you said that these

1357
00:49:45,750 --> 00:49:43,119
lichens is what he calls them but yeah i

1358
00:49:47,990 --> 00:49:45,760
think werewolf or or skinwalker

1359
00:49:48,790 --> 00:49:48,000
and shapeshifter but he says that these

1360
00:49:50,950 --> 00:49:48,800
things

1361
00:49:52,790 --> 00:49:50,960
have like infested one side of his

1362
00:49:53,670 --> 00:49:52,800
property and that on the other side of

1363
00:49:56,390 --> 00:49:53,680
the property

1364
00:49:57,510 --> 00:49:56,400
he has these more sasquatchy things and

1365
00:49:58,470 --> 00:49:57,520
that they actually get into it

1366
00:50:00,309 --> 00:49:58,480
occasionally

1367
00:50:01,750 --> 00:50:00,319
and i mean it's just so hard to believe

1368
00:50:02,470 --> 00:50:01,760
but there's got to be something to it

1369
00:50:05,670 --> 00:50:02,480
because there's

1370
00:50:07,670 --> 00:50:05,680
well anyway let's get back to uh

1371
00:50:09,349 --> 00:50:07,680
another quick question before we kind of

1372
00:50:11,190 --> 00:50:09,359
wrap it up since we're getting there

1373
00:50:13,030 --> 00:50:11,200
how about voodoo did you ever come

1374
00:50:16,309 --> 00:50:13,040
across any voodoo strange

1375
00:50:18,390 --> 00:50:16,319
belongings or artifacts you know down

1376
00:50:20,390 --> 00:50:18,400
here when we went to manchester swamp

1377
00:50:23,430 --> 00:50:20,400
they took us to this old part

1378
00:50:26,230 --> 00:50:23,440
of town and

1379
00:50:27,109 --> 00:50:26,240
we were supposed to meet the lady named

1380
00:50:30,150 --> 00:50:27,119
priestess

1381
00:50:30,549 --> 00:50:30,160
miriam and she is the direct descendant

1382
00:50:34,630 --> 00:50:30,559
of

1383
00:50:37,589 --> 00:50:34,640
the voodoo queen marie laveau

1384
00:50:39,190 --> 00:50:37,599
and she we walked into this old house

1385
00:50:41,190 --> 00:50:39,200
and it had a shop that sold

1386
00:50:42,790 --> 00:50:41,200
artifacts and stuff like that out front

1387
00:50:46,230 --> 00:50:42,800
and in the back

1388
00:50:46,710 --> 00:50:46,240
it was this little room when we went in

1389
00:50:49,030 --> 00:50:46,720
it was

1390
00:50:50,710 --> 00:50:49,040
burning hot and she was sitting there in

1391
00:50:54,630 --> 00:50:50,720
full headdress

1392
00:50:56,950 --> 00:50:54,640
uh almost like native american and

1393
00:50:59,190 --> 00:50:56,960
there were statues of the pope with the

1394
00:50:59,750 --> 00:50:59,200
face painted black and money rolled up

1395
00:51:02,790 --> 00:50:59,760
and like

1396
00:51:04,230 --> 00:51:02,800
subbed in his hand uh there was voodoo

1397
00:51:05,750 --> 00:51:04,240
statues

1398
00:51:07,430 --> 00:51:05,760
that you would see like in the movies

1399
00:51:09,430 --> 00:51:07,440
and stuff like that you would think of

1400
00:51:11,510 --> 00:51:09,440
a lot of you know because that's what it

1401
00:51:14,710 --> 00:51:11,520
is it's haitian catholicism

1402
00:51:15,910 --> 00:51:14,720
if you will and i learned a lot about it

1403
00:51:19,349 --> 00:51:15,920
while i was there

1404
00:51:19,990 --> 00:51:19,359
and we had a chance to uh interview the

1405
00:51:22,549 --> 00:51:20,000
priestess

1406
00:51:24,390 --> 00:51:22,559
and they kept they got to a point where

1407
00:51:24,870 --> 00:51:24,400
they wanted to get a clip of her saying

1408
00:51:27,030 --> 00:51:24,880
yes

1409
00:51:29,349 --> 00:51:27,040
ghost can kill you right for the

1410
00:51:32,790 --> 00:51:29,359
production value

1411
00:51:34,390 --> 00:51:32,800
so she would not say that she would not

1412
00:51:35,990 --> 00:51:34,400
say a ghost can kill you because she

1413
00:51:37,430 --> 00:51:36,000
kept saying if you're protected you

1414
00:51:39,829 --> 00:51:37,440
believe in god

1415
00:51:41,030 --> 00:51:39,839
this and this and that they cannot harm

1416
00:51:44,470 --> 00:51:41,040
you in that way

1417
00:51:47,510 --> 00:51:44,480
but what she did say is they can

1418
00:51:49,430 --> 00:51:47,520
cause you to harm yourself through

1419
00:51:51,109 --> 00:51:49,440
fear through possession through things

1420
00:51:52,710 --> 00:51:51,119
of that nature

1421
00:51:54,309 --> 00:51:52,720
so of course they got her all the way

1422
00:51:56,069 --> 00:51:54,319
down to her going through that

1423
00:51:58,069 --> 00:51:56,079
explanation and then finally she said

1424
00:51:59,750 --> 00:51:58,079
if all that happens yes the ghost can

1425
00:52:01,510 --> 00:51:59,760
kill you so they took that

1426
00:52:02,870 --> 00:52:01,520
last little part yes the ghost could

1427
00:52:06,309 --> 00:52:02,880
kill you and they use

1428
00:52:09,190 --> 00:52:06,319
that uh during the episode

1429
00:52:10,390 --> 00:52:09,200
the only time that i was down there that

1430
00:52:14,069 --> 00:52:10,400
i came into

1431
00:52:15,829 --> 00:52:14,079
close contact was she was doing a

1432
00:52:20,549 --> 00:52:15,839
ceremony

1433
00:52:24,309 --> 00:52:20,559
um papa lugma and mama

1434
00:52:26,230 --> 00:52:24,319
is two of the daddies that they pray to

1435
00:52:27,829 --> 00:52:26,240
and we were out in the middle of swamp

1436
00:52:29,510 --> 00:52:27,839
and if you go back and you watch it on

1437
00:52:31,270 --> 00:52:29,520
youtube guys or whatever extreme

1438
00:52:34,470 --> 00:52:31,280
paranormal

1439
00:52:36,309 --> 00:52:34,480
you'll see that they made us

1440
00:52:38,150 --> 00:52:36,319
this nathan would always be the occult

1441
00:52:41,589 --> 00:52:38,160
guy he would do these

1442
00:52:45,190 --> 00:52:41,599
uh these uh

1443
00:52:47,589 --> 00:52:45,200
seances or rituals or whatever and

1444
00:52:50,390 --> 00:52:47,599
we would rush in and try to find out the

1445
00:52:52,069 --> 00:52:50,400
whole basis of the show was show me

1446
00:52:53,750 --> 00:52:52,079
if satan is in the other room and

1447
00:52:55,190 --> 00:52:53,760
knocking on this piece of wood three

1448
00:52:57,430 --> 00:52:55,200
times makes him appear

1449
00:52:59,349 --> 00:52:57,440
let's why not knock on the wood three

1450
00:53:00,549 --> 00:52:59,359
times this is what we're here for

1451
00:53:02,470 --> 00:53:00,559
you know because a lot of the ghost

1452
00:53:04,710 --> 00:53:02,480
shows are like oh don't say that name

1453
00:53:05,829 --> 00:53:04,720
or don't do it why that's why you're

1454
00:53:08,870 --> 00:53:05,839
here

1455
00:53:10,630 --> 00:53:08,880
to make this stuff happen you know if

1456
00:53:12,470 --> 00:53:10,640
they always say don't say that devil's

1457
00:53:13,990 --> 00:53:12,480
name don't say that demon's name but

1458
00:53:15,990 --> 00:53:14,000
that's why you're there

1459
00:53:18,230 --> 00:53:16,000
to say the name and see what happens i

1460
00:53:19,190 --> 00:53:18,240
mean i'm sorry but this is a risky field

1461
00:53:21,750 --> 00:53:19,200
we're in

1462
00:53:22,630 --> 00:53:21,760
and uh sometimes you have to go for the

1463
00:53:24,069 --> 00:53:22,640
gold man

1464
00:53:26,069 --> 00:53:24,079
you know and just hope you said your

1465
00:53:28,710 --> 00:53:26,079
prayers i guess but

1466
00:53:30,710 --> 00:53:28,720
it's a dangerous field but we were down

1467
00:53:34,549 --> 00:53:30,720
there in the swamp

1468
00:53:37,190 --> 00:53:34,559
we're doing this ritual and nathan's

1469
00:53:39,589 --> 00:53:37,200
he he's barely knows what he's doing

1470
00:53:41,510 --> 00:53:39,599
they kind of rehearsed it with him

1471
00:53:43,670 --> 00:53:41,520
and he had done his studies but he's not

1472
00:53:46,230 --> 00:53:43,680
a voodoo practitioner

1473
00:53:47,349 --> 00:53:46,240
but for the episode he was doing this

1474
00:53:49,670 --> 00:53:47,359
ritual

1475
00:53:51,670 --> 00:53:49,680
so i'm sitting there listening and he's

1476
00:53:53,430 --> 00:53:51,680
smoking his cigar and blowing the smoke

1477
00:53:54,390 --> 00:53:53,440
and he's got his rum out making this

1478
00:53:56,230 --> 00:53:54,400
offering

1479
00:53:57,589 --> 00:53:56,240
and me and jason the other guy that was

1480
00:53:59,270 --> 00:53:57,599
on the show with me were sitting there

1481
00:54:01,829 --> 00:53:59,280
in this circle watching

1482
00:54:04,150 --> 00:54:01,839
and waiting on something to happen and

1483
00:54:07,109 --> 00:54:04,160
all of a sudden

1484
00:54:09,190 --> 00:54:07,119
our ears popped like a pressure had

1485
00:54:11,109 --> 00:54:09,200
changed in the atmosphere like

1486
00:54:13,589 --> 00:54:11,119
you know how when the pressure changes

1487
00:54:17,109 --> 00:54:13,599
your ears will pop right

1488
00:54:19,829 --> 00:54:17,119
so my ears popped

1489
00:54:20,870 --> 00:54:19,839
and no sooner they pop nathan's eyes

1490
00:54:25,109 --> 00:54:20,880
roll back white

1491
00:54:26,230 --> 00:54:25,119
you can't see pupil at all you can't see

1492
00:54:28,069 --> 00:54:26,240
anything

1493
00:54:29,589 --> 00:54:28,079
his eyes are totally white like in a

1494
00:54:32,150 --> 00:54:29,599
horror movie

1495
00:54:34,630 --> 00:54:32,160
and i think my god if he's if he's

1496
00:54:36,390 --> 00:54:34,640
faking this he's doing a great job right

1497
00:54:37,990 --> 00:54:36,400
so and we didn't fake anything on the

1498
00:54:41,030 --> 00:54:38,000
show and if people like to say

1499
00:54:42,230 --> 00:54:41,040
you know that the show we faked stuff

1500
00:54:44,150 --> 00:54:42,240
and everything else that was all

1501
00:54:45,750 --> 00:54:44,160
[\h__\h] that never happened not once i

1502
00:54:49,109 --> 00:54:45,760
wouldn't do it

1503
00:54:53,190 --> 00:54:49,119
so his eyes rolled back

1504
00:54:57,109 --> 00:54:53,200
and he was speaking like a garbled

1505
00:54:58,789 --> 00:54:57,119
whatever he would say a word of the

1506
00:55:01,510 --> 00:54:58,799
ritual he was doing and then he would

1507
00:55:06,069 --> 00:55:04,950
and then he collapsed and i know he

1508
00:55:08,230 --> 00:55:06,079
wasn't pretending because

1509
00:55:10,950 --> 00:55:08,240
he collapsed face first into an ant hill

1510
00:55:13,109 --> 00:55:10,960
of red ants in the middle of the swamp

1511
00:55:14,870 --> 00:55:13,119
so he was laying on the ground shaking

1512
00:55:16,789 --> 00:55:14,880
like he was going into seizures

1513
00:55:18,870 --> 00:55:16,799
and we grabbed both of well when we

1514
00:55:21,750 --> 00:55:18,880
figured out what was going on

1515
00:55:23,270 --> 00:55:21,760
and they yelled cut we grabbed both of

1516
00:55:24,710 --> 00:55:23,280
his arms took him back to the boat and

1517
00:55:25,430 --> 00:55:24,720
started dousing him with cold water

1518
00:55:27,349 --> 00:55:25,440
because we figured

1519
00:55:28,710 --> 00:55:27,359
it must have been 110 degrees out there

1520
00:55:31,030 --> 00:55:28,720
in the swamp that night

1521
00:55:33,109 --> 00:55:31,040
thought maybe heat stroke or something

1522
00:55:34,390 --> 00:55:33,119
but he swears up and down that he became

1523
00:55:36,870 --> 00:55:34,400
possessed

1524
00:55:38,309 --> 00:55:36,880
by doing that ritual and the ritual was

1525
00:55:40,789 --> 00:55:38,319
to open

1526
00:55:42,309 --> 00:55:40,799
the gateway to the other side that's

1527
00:55:44,710 --> 00:55:42,319
when we lowered

1528
00:55:46,069 --> 00:55:44,720
one of the cast mates into the ground

1529
00:55:48,230 --> 00:55:46,079
into a coffin

1530
00:55:50,870 --> 00:55:48,240
so he could be in the world of the dead

1531
00:55:54,390 --> 00:55:50,880
and we could better communicate with him

1532
00:55:57,030 --> 00:55:54,400
and i think for that moment

1533
00:55:59,990 --> 00:55:57,040
that by nathan doing that ritual by not

1534
00:56:03,910 --> 00:56:00,000
knowing what the hell we were doing

1535
00:56:06,069 --> 00:56:03,920
and by going 100 balls to the wall

1536
00:56:07,510 --> 00:56:06,079
that we unlocked something that

1537
00:56:10,309 --> 00:56:07,520
shouldn't have been unlocked by people

1538
00:56:12,150 --> 00:56:10,319
who didn't know what was going on

1539
00:56:14,630 --> 00:56:12,160
that was my first very real experience

1540
00:56:18,789 --> 00:56:14,640
with voodoo

1541
00:56:21,829 --> 00:56:18,799
wow man so so spooky

1542
00:56:24,710 --> 00:56:21,839
and you know in my opinion sean

1543
00:56:26,950 --> 00:56:24,720
nobody really takes the listeners to the

1544
00:56:28,390 --> 00:56:26,960
creepiness like yourself my man i'm a

1545
00:56:31,510 --> 00:56:28,400
fan for life

1546
00:56:33,829 --> 00:56:31,520
and before we get done where can

1547
00:56:35,190 --> 00:56:33,839
listeners follow your archive of shows

1548
00:56:36,950 --> 00:56:35,200
keep up with your work

1549
00:56:38,549 --> 00:56:36,960
and just support all the awesome stuff

1550
00:56:41,910 --> 00:56:38,559
you've done do and will do

1551
00:56:44,069 --> 00:56:41,920
youtube etc absolutely brother

1552
00:56:46,150 --> 00:56:44,079
guys i am the ghost man sean burris and

1553
00:56:50,510 --> 00:56:46,160
you can catch all the archives

1554
00:56:51,829 --> 00:56:50,520
14 years plus at shadownation.com that's

1555
00:56:53,670 --> 00:56:51,839
shadownation.com

1556
00:56:55,190 --> 00:56:53,680
you can follow us on instagram that's

1557
00:57:00,470 --> 00:56:55,200
shadownat

1558
00:57:05,829 --> 00:57:03,829
and facebook shadow nation podcast

1559
00:57:07,750 --> 00:57:05,839
um you can follow see what's going on

1560
00:57:09,270 --> 00:57:07,760
new see where we're going to be at next

1561
00:57:11,109 --> 00:57:09,280
and what we got going on i've been kind

1562
00:57:12,950 --> 00:57:11,119
of taking a revamp period

1563
00:57:14,630 --> 00:57:12,960
getting everything back but you got 14

1564
00:57:16,549 --> 00:57:14,640
years of stuff to listen to to catch up

1565
00:57:19,069 --> 00:57:16,559
before i start new episodes anyway

1566
00:57:21,030 --> 00:57:19,079
so that should keep you busy but

1567
00:57:21,990 --> 00:57:21,040
shadownation.com is definitely the best

1568
00:57:23,510 --> 00:57:22,000
place to get

1569
00:57:25,270 --> 00:57:23,520
everything you can shoot me an email

1570
00:57:27,670 --> 00:57:25,280
tell me what you'd like to hear

1571
00:57:28,950 --> 00:57:27,680
or send me any questions you might have

1572
00:57:29,750 --> 00:57:28,960
and of course you can listen to our

1573
00:57:31,990 --> 00:57:29,760
buddy ryan

1574
00:57:33,910 --> 00:57:32,000
ryan burns skinwalker and beyond and so

1575
00:57:35,430 --> 00:57:33,920
much more because his episode's up in

1576
00:57:38,470 --> 00:57:35,440
the archives too guys so

1577
00:57:39,990 --> 00:57:38,480
that's that's where it's at ryan so cool

1578
00:57:41,829 --> 00:57:40,000
man and the episodes are so

1579
00:57:43,750 --> 00:57:41,839
good you guys out of the episodes that

1580
00:57:45,589 --> 00:57:43,760
hit me the hardest i mean i've mentioned

1581
00:57:47,030 --> 00:57:45,599
some of them just to you personally but

1582
00:57:49,670 --> 00:57:47,040
your halloween episodes

1583
00:57:51,109 --> 00:57:49,680
wow you love halloween like myself and

1584
00:57:52,789 --> 00:57:51,119
my neighbors know

1585
00:57:54,870 --> 00:57:52,799
that the only season i decorate more

1586
00:57:56,950 --> 00:57:54,880
than christmas is halloween and i know

1587
00:57:58,950 --> 00:57:56,960
that you also enjoy a good uh

1588
00:58:01,109 --> 00:57:58,960
beer and even go seasonal with some of

1589
00:58:02,309 --> 00:58:01,119
the uh halloween seasonal beers so good

1590
00:58:04,230 --> 00:58:02,319
man

1591
00:58:06,950 --> 00:58:04,240
absolutely hey you know you mentioned

1592
00:58:09,670 --> 00:58:06,960
briefly before about that exorcism uh

1593
00:58:11,270 --> 00:58:09,680
dr richard gallagher he came on the show

1594
00:58:12,470 --> 00:58:11,280
that was a good one man that was my

1595
00:58:15,829 --> 00:58:12,480
latest

1596
00:58:17,589 --> 00:58:15,839
uh crazy experience with the crucifix

1597
00:58:20,710 --> 00:58:17,599
being torn and everything

1598
00:58:22,150 --> 00:58:20,720
if you if if

1599
00:58:23,910 --> 00:58:22,160
if you have a couple extra minutes can

1600
00:58:28,150 --> 00:58:23,920
we go into that one

1601
00:58:31,270 --> 00:58:28,160
sure sure absolutely oh my man

1602
00:58:32,950 --> 00:58:31,280
how did it how did it all go down well

1603
00:58:35,910 --> 00:58:32,960
it was dr richard gallagher

1604
00:58:38,069 --> 00:58:35,920
and he is the board certified clinical

1605
00:58:38,630 --> 00:58:38,079
psychologist for the entire catholic

1606
00:58:41,109 --> 00:58:38,640
church

1607
00:58:42,150 --> 00:58:41,119
in the united states which means every

1608
00:58:44,950 --> 00:58:42,160
exorcist

1609
00:58:47,430 --> 00:58:44,960
has to be done in the united states has

1610
00:58:49,190 --> 00:58:47,440
to the case file has to be evaluated by

1611
00:58:51,829 --> 00:58:49,200
this guy

1612
00:58:53,670 --> 00:58:51,839
and i thought it was fascinating i was

1613
00:58:54,390 --> 00:58:53,680
researching i finally found this guy and

1614
00:58:57,910 --> 00:58:54,400
he's a

1615
00:59:00,470 --> 00:58:57,920
board-certified psychologist a big one

1616
00:59:02,069 --> 00:59:00,480
that had been to uh harvard in yale and

1617
00:59:03,190 --> 00:59:02,079
in places like this so he knows his

1618
00:59:05,670 --> 00:59:03,200
stuff

1619
00:59:07,750 --> 00:59:05,680
and he will tell you 100 that demons

1620
00:59:09,910 --> 00:59:07,760
exist in their room

1621
00:59:12,309 --> 00:59:09,920
and he came on that he just dropped the

1622
00:59:14,950 --> 00:59:12,319
book i forget the name of it ryan

1623
00:59:16,950 --> 00:59:14,960
um i'll have to give it to you later but

1624
00:59:17,510 --> 00:59:16,960
he just dropped the book guys demonic

1625
00:59:21,750 --> 00:59:17,520
foes

1626
00:59:23,270 --> 00:59:21,760
a damn good book your listeners need to

1627
00:59:26,549 --> 00:59:23,280
check it out

1628
00:59:28,470 --> 00:59:26,559
anyway i got this gentleman on the show

1629
00:59:30,789 --> 00:59:28,480
and you guys can check this episode out

1630
00:59:32,230 --> 00:59:30,799
it was just last year

1631
00:59:34,870 --> 00:59:32,240
and it's towards the very top in the

1632
00:59:36,950 --> 00:59:34,880
archives and he starts talking about the

1633
00:59:38,309 --> 00:59:36,960
case of julia

1634
00:59:40,630 --> 00:59:38,319
and that's a fake name that he used

1635
00:59:42,309 --> 00:59:40,640
because you couldn't use her real name

1636
00:59:43,910 --> 00:59:42,319
julia was a young lady that was

1637
00:59:45,990 --> 00:59:43,920
possessed by demons

1638
00:59:46,950 --> 00:59:46,000
and she called a priest out and the

1639
00:59:50,390 --> 00:59:46,960
priest called dr

1640
00:59:51,190 --> 00:59:50,400
gallagher for help and dr gallagher goes

1641
00:59:55,270 --> 00:59:51,200
on through this

1642
00:59:56,950 --> 00:59:55,280
um phone call with me telling me how

1643
00:59:58,950 --> 00:59:56,960
the priest had called him one night the

1644
01:00:00,150 --> 00:59:58,960
priest was this case was probably 50

1645
01:00:01,910 --> 01:00:00,160
miles away

1646
01:00:04,789 --> 01:00:01,920
and he was at home with his wife dr

1647
01:00:06,870 --> 01:00:04,799
gallagher and the priest had called

1648
01:00:08,390 --> 01:00:06,880
dr gallagher he wasn't even the priest

1649
01:00:10,309 --> 01:00:08,400
wasn't even in the girl's house he

1650
01:00:13,349 --> 01:00:10,319
wasn't even around the possessed girl

1651
01:00:15,829 --> 01:00:13,359
but while they're talking

1652
01:00:17,589 --> 01:00:15,839
while they're having this conversation

1653
01:00:20,390 --> 01:00:17,599
they start hearing

1654
01:00:21,910 --> 01:00:20,400
interference on the line and then they

1655
01:00:25,430 --> 01:00:21,920
hear a voice say

1656
01:00:27,510 --> 01:00:25,440
i said leave her alone like that

1657
01:00:28,549 --> 01:00:27,520
and dr gallagher told the priest did you

1658
01:00:30,549 --> 01:00:28,559
just hear that

1659
01:00:33,030 --> 01:00:30,559
and the priest says yeah this stuff

1660
01:00:35,430 --> 01:00:33,040
happens yada yada when we're doing

1661
01:00:37,270 --> 01:00:35,440
involved in cases sometimes you'll get

1662
01:00:40,549 --> 01:00:37,280
voices on the phone

1663
01:00:41,270 --> 01:00:40,559
things of that nature dr gallagher said

1664
01:00:42,630 --> 01:00:41,280
okay they

1665
01:00:44,870 --> 01:00:42,640
discussed their business they hung up

1666
01:00:46,230 --> 01:00:44,880
the phone later that night dr gallagher

1667
01:00:48,309 --> 01:00:46,240
has three cats

1668
01:00:49,990 --> 01:00:48,319
they all got in this huge fight where

1669
01:00:51,829 --> 01:00:50,000
there was blood i mean these cats have

1670
01:00:52,710 --> 01:00:51,839
been together since kittens they never

1671
01:00:54,150 --> 01:00:52,720
fought

1672
01:00:55,750 --> 01:00:54,160
and all of a sudden there's blood

1673
01:00:57,349 --> 01:00:55,760
flowing they're scratching each other

1674
01:00:59,670 --> 01:00:57,359
they're ripping each other's hairs out

1675
01:01:01,990 --> 01:00:59,680
and everything else well the next day

1676
01:01:03,750 --> 01:01:02,000
dr gallagher gets up he went to work and

1677
01:01:04,870 --> 01:01:03,760
then he was supposed to go see julia

1678
01:01:08,069 --> 01:01:04,880
this possessed lady

1679
01:01:10,950 --> 01:01:08,079
to set in on this exorcism

1680
01:01:12,309 --> 01:01:10,960
this lady when he gets there sets up in

1681
01:01:16,390 --> 01:01:12,319
bed

1682
01:01:19,910 --> 01:01:16,400
and asked him if he enjoyed the cats

1683
01:01:23,109 --> 01:01:19,920
there's no way that she could have known

1684
01:01:26,950 --> 01:01:23,119
he said that he had owned cats

1685
01:01:29,430 --> 01:01:26,960
that he was even coming over that day

1686
01:01:31,589 --> 01:01:29,440
gives me that show somehow she did and

1687
01:01:32,549 --> 01:01:31,599
right when he gets to that part of the

1688
01:01:35,750 --> 01:01:32,559
story

1689
01:01:38,950 --> 01:01:35,760
you guys can hear it for yourself during

1690
01:01:39,430 --> 01:01:38,960
the episode that i'm doing with him you

1691
01:01:42,470 --> 01:01:39,440
start

1692
01:01:43,990 --> 01:01:42,480
hearing voices in the background i'm not

1693
01:01:46,710 --> 01:01:44,000
talking about it me me me

1694
01:01:48,950 --> 01:01:46,720
i'm talking about voices whispering and

1695
01:01:51,990 --> 01:01:48,960
it starts and it doesn't stop

1696
01:01:54,470 --> 01:01:52,000
it goes in and out i could

1697
01:01:56,230 --> 01:01:54,480
barely hear it during the interview i

1698
01:01:57,430 --> 01:01:56,240
thought maybe it was a tv on in the

1699
01:01:59,910 --> 01:01:57,440
background

1700
01:02:01,750 --> 01:01:59,920
uh on his end that's how low it was but

1701
01:02:02,549 --> 01:02:01,760
when i played it back and i was editing

1702
01:02:07,589 --> 01:02:02,559
it

1703
01:02:09,750 --> 01:02:07,599
young woman's voice and she's whispering

1704
01:02:10,710 --> 01:02:09,760
the whole time i'm talking to him i

1705
01:02:13,829 --> 01:02:10,720
would say a good

1706
01:02:15,750 --> 01:02:13,839
10 minutes of the interview uh i catch

1707
01:02:18,069 --> 01:02:15,760
this woman whispering

1708
01:02:18,950 --> 01:02:18,079
on the interview now similar to the

1709
01:02:20,630 --> 01:02:18,960
dybbuk box

1710
01:02:22,069 --> 01:02:20,640
when i got off the phone with dr

1711
01:02:24,069 --> 01:02:22,079
gallagher

1712
01:02:26,470 --> 01:02:24,079
i had knocking in the studio because now

1713
01:02:28,069 --> 01:02:26,480
my studio is in my home

1714
01:02:30,309 --> 01:02:28,079
when i was downstairs i'm watching

1715
01:02:33,589 --> 01:02:30,319
football sunday night football

1716
01:02:36,230 --> 01:02:33,599
i hear knocking up in the studio

1717
01:02:38,150 --> 01:02:36,240
my wife my daughter in bed the dog and

1718
01:02:40,069 --> 01:02:38,160
the cat are in bed with them

1719
01:02:41,270 --> 01:02:40,079
i run upstairs there's nothing in the

1720
01:02:44,390 --> 01:02:41,280
studio

1721
01:02:48,150 --> 01:02:44,400
knock

1722
01:02:50,870 --> 01:02:48,160
down stairs so i went downstairs just

1723
01:02:52,549 --> 01:02:50,880
like demons or cowards because they are

1724
01:02:54,309 --> 01:02:52,559
they'll do little things like that to

1725
01:02:55,349 --> 01:02:54,319
kind of get you startled and get the

1726
01:02:57,829 --> 01:02:55,359
fear going

1727
01:02:59,349 --> 01:02:57,839
at least that's what dr gallagher says

1728
01:03:01,750 --> 01:02:59,359
so i couldn't find where these knocks

1729
01:03:04,950 --> 01:03:01,760
were coming from

1730
01:03:06,789 --> 01:03:04,960
the next day i

1731
01:03:09,270 --> 01:03:06,799
had been off work i hadn't gotten in my

1732
01:03:11,029 --> 01:03:09,280
car for three days

1733
01:03:12,710 --> 01:03:11,039
the next day i went to get in my car to

1734
01:03:14,789 --> 01:03:12,720
go to work and i had

1735
01:03:16,470 --> 01:03:14,799
a rosary hanging from the rearview

1736
01:03:19,670 --> 01:03:16,480
mirror yeah

1737
01:03:21,910 --> 01:03:19,680
just the crucifix had been ripped off

1738
01:03:22,789 --> 01:03:21,920
and it was thrown in the passenger side

1739
01:03:26,710 --> 01:03:22,799
seat

1740
01:03:28,470 --> 01:03:26,720
nobody had been in my car for three days

1741
01:03:29,990 --> 01:03:28,480
i and i don't know what to think about

1742
01:03:33,029 --> 01:03:30,000
that but

1743
01:03:35,510 --> 01:03:33,039
uh that was one of my last experiences

1744
01:03:37,430 --> 01:03:35,520
uh doing the podcast i call it win

1745
01:03:39,190 --> 01:03:37,440
podcast attack

1746
01:03:41,029 --> 01:03:39,200
the life and life and times of a

1747
01:03:44,630 --> 01:03:41,039
paranormal podcaster because

1748
01:03:47,670 --> 01:03:44,640
this stuff is real and it does affect us

1749
01:03:49,510 --> 01:03:47,680
ryan uh in strange ways and if you're

1750
01:03:51,029 --> 01:03:49,520
doing this type of stuff man it puts us

1751
01:03:53,270 --> 01:03:51,039
right on the railroad tracks

1752
01:03:54,309 --> 01:03:53,280
and the train's coming baby you got to

1753
01:03:56,150 --> 01:03:54,319
be ready

1754
01:03:57,990 --> 01:03:56,160
but your listeners can look check that

1755
01:04:00,870 --> 01:03:58,000
one out too at shadownation.com it's

1756
01:04:02,470 --> 01:04:00,880
under dr richard gallagher

1757
01:04:04,150 --> 01:04:02,480
you won't miss it it's like three or

1758
01:04:07,029 --> 01:04:04,160
four episodes down and it says

1759
01:04:08,549 --> 01:04:07,039
the demon exorcist interview or

1760
01:04:11,829 --> 01:04:08,559
something

1761
01:04:13,910 --> 01:04:11,839
but yeah that was a scary one for me

1762
01:04:15,750 --> 01:04:13,920
such a scary tale the part about the

1763
01:04:17,589 --> 01:04:15,760
cats just gives me the chills because

1764
01:04:19,029 --> 01:04:17,599
i've heard that in so many other cases

1765
01:04:22,150 --> 01:04:19,039
involving exorcisms

1766
01:04:23,190 --> 01:04:22,160
demons anyway man you do it all aliens

1767
01:04:25,990 --> 01:04:23,200
swamp gators

1768
01:04:26,549 --> 01:04:26,000
and diving for ghosts i can't thank you

1769
01:04:28,390 --> 01:04:26,559
enough

1770
01:04:31,829 --> 01:04:28,400
for coming on sean you're the man and i

1771
01:04:34,069 --> 01:04:31,839
hope we we chat more often in chat soon

1772
01:04:35,349 --> 01:04:34,079
anytime ryan anytime you need me i'm

1773
01:04:37,510 --> 01:04:35,359
there you know that brother

1774
01:04:39,190 --> 01:04:37,520
and thank you to you and your listeners

1775
01:04:40,870 --> 01:04:39,200
for listening in man and i can't wait to

1776
01:04:42,549 --> 01:04:40,880
come back on sometime

1777
01:04:44,630 --> 01:04:42,559
that would be great well have a very

1778
01:04:47,589 --> 01:04:44,640
merry christmas and happy new year and i

1779
01:04:48,789 --> 01:04:47,599
i will talk after that all right merry

1780
01:04:51,109 --> 01:04:48,799
christmas brother

1781
01:04:52,710 --> 01:04:51,119
man oh man i don't know what i can

1782
01:04:56,150 --> 01:04:52,720
really say after all that

1783
01:04:56,630 --> 01:04:56,160
i am a fan of everything sean burris

1784
01:05:00,470 --> 01:04:56,640
talk

1785
01:05:02,549 --> 01:05:00,480
about the man his episodes hit me

1786
01:05:03,670 --> 01:05:02,559
so hard his halloween episodes in

1787
01:05:06,150 --> 01:05:03,680
particular

1788
01:05:07,029 --> 01:05:06,160
and that exorcism episode that he

1789
01:05:09,990 --> 01:05:07,039
mentioned

1790
01:05:12,150 --> 01:05:10,000
please check it out when i heard that

1791
01:05:15,029 --> 01:05:12,160
episode it really took me there

1792
01:05:17,029 --> 01:05:15,039
really amazing the things that took

1793
01:05:20,309 --> 01:05:17,039
place with the contact

1794
01:05:23,670 --> 01:05:20,319
with these demonic entities and

1795
01:05:25,750 --> 01:05:23,680
um it is uh it's a thing that

1796
01:05:27,109 --> 01:05:25,760
must be listened to if it's something

1797
01:05:29,430 --> 01:05:27,119
that you are

1798
01:05:31,829 --> 01:05:29,440
looking into and i know we're going into

1799
01:05:34,829 --> 01:05:31,839
a season with a lot of dark

1800
01:05:37,510 --> 01:05:34,839
uh things hanging over us we have a

1801
01:05:39,270 --> 01:05:37,520
virus behind us

1802
01:05:41,029 --> 01:05:39,280
it's been a tough season for a lot of

1803
01:05:44,150 --> 01:05:41,039
people and

1804
01:05:44,950 --> 01:05:44,160
um i just you know it there's light on

1805
01:05:48,309 --> 01:05:44,960
the other side

1806
01:05:50,710 --> 01:05:48,319
and uh the new year is almost here so

1807
01:05:51,990 --> 01:05:50,720
let's do this until next time keep your

1808
01:05:54,230 --> 01:05:52,000
eyes to the skies

1809
01:06:04,930 --> 01:05:54,240
feet on the ground but don't forget to

1810
01:06:12,710 --> 01:06:04,940
take a look around

1811
01:06:15,589 --> 01:06:12,720
[Music]

1812
01:06:18,710 --> 01:06:15,599
come blast off in my time machine third

1813
01:06:22,789 --> 01:06:18,720
eye feeling like an evil zone blast off

1814
01:06:25,750 --> 01:06:22,799
blast off blast off glassed off

1815
01:06:28,870 --> 01:06:25,760
come blast off in my time machine dirt

1816
01:06:32,050 --> 01:06:28,880
eye feeling like an e5 scene passed on

1817
01:06:55,550 --> 01:06:32,060
last off

1818
01:07:01,730 --> 01:06:58,829
[Music]

1819
01:07:05,589 --> 01:07:01,740
so